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But at this point, are they really still "sacred," or have they been profaned beyond recovery; and should they be preserved at all?
Let me make an analogy.
One prays to God, not out of a naive desire for divine intervention to manifest one's wishes, but as an affirmative call to one's own virtuous goals. Whether or not it comes to good or ill is divided into two parts: the mortal - which is in our control - and in the divine - which is ineffable.
Which is to say, go vote, because it is good for the soul, and then do the necessary things in your community anyway.
Atheist materialist here. There is only "the mortal." There is no ineffable, no soul. So I don't see how to apply this analogy.
And if there were a soul, voting would be bad for it. Voting is bad. "Democracy" is a sham, "democracy" is evil, "democracy" must be destroyed!
You don't need to believe in democracy, only give sacrifice to the civic gods. The Roman analogy is apt. I'm not asking you to sacrifice a fatted calf or a firstborn child: I'm asking you to stand in a line for two hours in some public place. It doesn't matter what you believe or what you think is true, only that the proper forms are observed.
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