I tuned out. I literally couldn't take it anymore. Trump wasn't doing fantastic, but the petty and nitpicky way the moderators constantly interrupted or interjected to "fact check" him, while letting Harris get away with both widely debunked hoaxes (Fine people hoax, suckers and losers hoax, bloodbath hoax), or wild fantastical bold faced lies (Like Trump arming China's military with chips). And then watching all the people come away with the impression that Harris was in command of the debate with a better grasp of the "facts". Or the fence sitting "just calling balls and strikes" people saying "If you have to complain about the moderation that means you lost". All it did was make me plan a trip to my local friendly gun store.
I've been skeptical of these claims that Biden's own side sent him out to die during the first debate. I guess I forgot how much the moderators can put their finger on the scale when they really want to. They absolutely could have rescued Biden back then. +1 for that having been a palace coup.
I've been skeptical of these claims that Biden's own side sent him out to die during the first debate. I guess I forgot how much the moderators can put their finger on the scale when they really want to. They absolutely could have rescued Biden back then. +1 for that having been a palace coup.
I have not watched either of these debates, but did the moderators for Biden's debate with Trump not also try to give him some easy lay-ups?
I think it's an effective attack, she's asking people to vote for a party more than a character and it frames her as an incumbent, which given things are not going very well, is what Trump wants.
He should have hammered her with that throughout instead of bringing old news Biden into it, to be sure.
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Clearly a planned move to end with "why hasn't she done it" in the closing statements, but I'm not sure how many people will have tuned out by then.
I tuned out. I literally couldn't take it anymore. Trump wasn't doing fantastic, but the petty and nitpicky way the moderators constantly interrupted or interjected to "fact check" him, while letting Harris get away with both widely debunked hoaxes (Fine people hoax, suckers and losers hoax, bloodbath hoax), or wild fantastical bold faced lies (Like Trump arming China's military with chips). And then watching all the people come away with the impression that Harris was in command of the debate with a better grasp of the "facts". Or the fence sitting "just calling balls and strikes" people saying "If you have to complain about the moderation that means you lost". All it did was make me plan a trip to my local friendly gun store.
I've been skeptical of these claims that Biden's own side sent him out to die during the first debate. I guess I forgot how much the moderators can put their finger on the scale when they really want to. They absolutely could have rescued Biden back then. +1 for that having been a palace coup.
I have not watched either of these debates, but did the moderators for Biden's debate with Trump not also try to give him some easy lay-ups?
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It also doesn’t make a ton of sense, especially given Trump’s line about how Biden hates her.
I think it's an effective attack, she's asking people to vote for a party more than a character and it frames her as an incumbent, which given things are not going very well, is what Trump wants.
He should have hammered her with that throughout instead of bringing old news Biden into it, to be sure.
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