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Yeah, I can't exactly claim Vinland Saga is free of historical philosophic anachronism. But in so far as the characters play with ideas that aren't really of their time, its at least from a novel perspective instead of the same tired MESSAGE everything else keeps pushing.
Edit: I've been informed the next story arc for Vinland Saga features a tranny. So... yeah... I can feel the interest fleeing my body.
Huh? Do you mean Hild? I guess she’s kind of butch but I don’t remember anything about her being trans in the manga… Either my memory (and brief skimming of the wiki) is faulty or someone is feeding you misinformation
Apparently Thorkell the Tall has a "daughter" in the next story arc. A giant, muscular, stubbled "daughter" with pig tails. Reading the synopsis of the character is sounds like a case of Transhausen by Proxy, with the mother, Thorkell's wife, raising his son as a daughter so he wouldn't be taken away from her and sent to war. But it also sounds like the story, and the fanbase, don't treat that like the child abuse it actually is. Who knows, maybe I'll be wrong when we get there, but somehow I doubt it.
Oh huh yeah you’re right, I haven’t actually read the post-time skip Vinland arc (the most recent one) where “Cordelia” appears so I can’t comment. The wiki entry doesn’t exactly thrill me however given how, as you mentioned, non-modernbrained the series is up to that point (although I’d still be willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt). When you wrote “next” I assumed you meant the Eastern Expedition arc which is what will be in Season 3 presumably. While it’s entirely possible the series jumps the gun at the end, everything pre-time skip is pretty excellent in the manga so I’d still recommend giving it a fair shot (at least next season which will arguably likely wrap up Thorfinn’s character arc).
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