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eh, objective / subjctive, if you believe that aliens are going to ascend you to the next plane of existence it's not odd to eat the phenobarbital laced apple sauce as their comet reaches it's closest approach to Earth. Still odd af to everyone else.
From what we've seen of the war lately the Donetsk situation is a huge mess, they've been begging for reinforcements for months. Russia is entering Toretsk, captured most of Niu York, and has pushed through all but one defensive line between them and pokrovsk. Which is the main logistical hub for the entire region. Not even western analysts have been able to make sense of this border raid. Russia can just use conscripts to defend their own soil so it's unlikely to pull troops out of Donetsk. To use it as a bargaining chip they have to actually hold it, which considering they can't hold fortifications that have been built up over years seems unlikely given they will have to defend villages without those fortifications and with less established supply lanes, air defense issues etc. Capturing and sabotaging a Russian nuclear plant to create an environmental disaster just makes them look insane to the rest of the world.
Only explanation that makes some sense to me is that this is a Bibi situation, they are getting pressure to tie things up or at least begin winding down before the November elections and are spending 5k+ lives to escalate things and keep the war hot.
we will see whether this will work out
so far it featured one of deadliest strikes in this war, with one of columns massacred
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