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Culture War Roundup for the week of October 3, 2022

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Surely the culture war is interested in whether issues like these are sound precisely because they are influencing public policy around such important issues?

In which case:

Now you have to accept the bad actors as members of your own group. You made this bed, now you have to lie in it.

This doesn’t read at all like “we should tolerate criminals”, but “progressives advocated for these paradigms; now that they are seen to be damaging, progressives should take the hit to credibility for supporting these paradigms.”

Your comment is truly an interesting rhetorical invocation of “privatising the gains and socialising the losses”.

No, my comment was meant to indicate that there are other issues at play other than what gains and losses might accrue to trans people. I.e.: our ability to get closer to understanding the causes of crime, which is compromised if we intentionally miscategorize those who commit crimes.

Now you have to accept the bad actors as members of your own group. You made this bed, now you have to lie in it.

And the point of the original commenter was that the progressive position of self-ID is in contradiction to getting to these "other issues, i.e. our ability to get closer to understanding the causes of crime, which is compromised if we intentionally miscategorize those who commit crimes", as the progressive position is to deny the possibility for there to be such a miscategorisation in the first place.

A society in which self-ID is the legal standard has collapsed that distinction, and sees no difference between a trans person who has suffered gender dysphoria since childhood and who has been taking hormones for years vs. a person who gave no outward indication of suffering from gender dysphoria, only "realised" they were transgender immediately after being convicted of a crime, and who has no taken no steps to make themselves more closely resemble a member of the opposite sex.

Taking the broader progressive movement in mind, then, one cannot on the one hand take seriously gender self-identification as the sole marker of gender, then on the other hand ignore the predictable negative effects of that, and chastise other people for focusing on that this policy creates these negative effects - after all, there are "bigger issues" at play greater than mere self-ID!

That is simply rank hypocrisy.

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