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As to your two explanations, I expect it's a combination of both, but would say the latter is probably the much larger component.
I find myself once again referring to the "Mrs. Britten's English Zone" page on Characteristics of Puritan Writing
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Replace the letters and diaries with emails, chat, and social media, and the Protestant moralizing with woke DEI moralizing, and you've got a rather familiar type, no? And note the skepticism of fiction: works done for entertainment's sake are inherently suspect, and moral messaging is the priority in any communication.
Hence the criticism of much current "woke" media, and of many attempts at right-wing "anti-woke" media, both paralleling the classic criticism of much "Christian media" of the Veggie Tales sort: that they put The Message above storytelling, above quality, above being entertaining. If your show or your music or your writing isn't ad maiorem DEI gloriam (if I may be forgiven this horrible wordplay), then what does that say about its morals — and thus your morals? If you're not constantly displaying Christian virtue in your words, and exhorting everyone else to do the same, then you're not really a proper Puritan, are you? If you're not signaling how "woke" and pro-diversity you are, and reminding everyone to check their privilege and practice tolerance, then how do we know you're not secretly some sort of reactionary bigot?
Didn't Scott have a post where he made a point along these lines, about how this is what we get when people with "hectoring Church Lady" personalities grow up in secular Progressive spaces?
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