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Passkeys don't necessarily solve the two-factor bit, but if the device is bioautheticated as most phones are this is kind of/mostly a moot point. A more relevant trifecta when it comes to the point of passwords/authentication is 1) something you know, 2) something you have, and 3) something you are.
Passkeys are nice because they swap the (something you know which you can be tricked into giving + something you have which less-commonly via sim-swapping or the like the system can be tricked into thinking someone else has) for the equation of (something you are, which is really hard to fake + something you have, with similar weaknesses). Note that you can't really lose accidentally or give away "something you are", like biometrics, so as long as the authentication protocol is solid, the passkey approach patches a major weakness. And since some passkey protocols try to verify that the something you have is physically located next to the actual access point, it's also a stronger something you have, even if it's not necessarily exactly the same as 2FA.
At least that's my understanding. Haven't yet migrated, but am very close to doing so.
Of course still excellent points about the cloud-passkey paradigm, but since passwords are just so easy to make weak (even with fancy rules to attempt and make them more secure), it still seems like an order of magnitude security improvement.
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