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Culture War Roundup for the week of June 17, 2024

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Democrats stormed the White House

The capitol riot could probably be considered a de-escalation since they didn't burn the Capitol building to the ground.

What are you talking about? When did Democrats ever storm the White House? I vaguely recall "sieging" federal buildings during the 2020 protests, but when did major left leaders ever support such violent measures?

  • -16

The fact that you're unaware of this rather says alot of how the media propagates some things and stifles others.

The direct comparison to J6 I can think of is in 2017, when there was a "DisruptJ20" movement, where the stated goal was:

We are planning to shut down the inauguration, that's the short of it ... We're pretty literal about that, we are trying to create citywide paralysis on a level that I don't think has been seen in D.C. before.

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There has been a lot of talk of peaceful transition of power as being a core element in a democracy and we want to reject that entirely and really undermine the peaceful transition

Undermine the peaceful transition of power? Doesn't that sound like Insurrection? What happened to these hardened insurrectionists?

In late November 2017, six people charged with rioting went on trial. Prosecutors alleged that these six people were taking part in DisruptJ20 protests and vandalism.[37] A jury trial found the six defendants not guilty on all counts in December 2017.[38] On January 18, 2018, the U.S. Justice Department dropped charges against 129 people, leaving 59 defendants to face charges related to the DisruptJ20 protest.[39] By early July 2018, federal prosecutors had dropped all charges against all defendants in the case.[40]

Ah, so nothing serious. But hey, at least they didn't storm the Capitol Building!

In 2020, protestors surrounded the White House and tried to break down the barriers. Trump and his family had to hide in a bunker:

Thousands of protesters demonstrated peacefully near the White House during the day, but by nightfall, with hundreds still in the streets, the scene turned more volatile as crowds surged forward against lines of riot police with plastic shields as the two sides vied for control of Lafayette Square across from the White House. Protesters threw water bottles, set off fireworks and burned a pile of wood and at least one car.

At least they didn't succeed? Is that the metric we're going to use? Because then the J6 protestors should be off the hook, because they ultimately failed to do anything significant. I guess they just had the wrong amount of success, just enough to break down a barricade, not enough to break down America.

And that's leaving out all the other protests that have happened on Capital hill, some violent, some peaceful. Kids crowding congressional offices to protest Climate Change, the Kaunavaugh confirmation protests, etc. And even that is leaving out all the protests inside various state's Capitol Buildings.

Do Democrat leaders support violent action against federal buildings, such as the Oregon courthouse siege? Yes they do! Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler was among the rioters laying siege and Nancy Pelosi tweeted in support of the protestors (and against the government officials trying to resist them). If you don't remember much of what happened there, or maybe your news sources weren't reporting on it, Winston Marshall has a good 15 minute video here: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jNoxpP5Jhvo

I'm not a fan of what happened on Jan 6th. I posted in the motte that week something to the effect of, "I'm a conservative and I'm glad that Ashley Babbit was killed." But I would place it in the same realm of the riots and protests of the above, not some unique evil that members of the Republican Party have perpetrated.

when did major left leaders ever support such violent measures?

The current Vice President of the United States shilled for bail funds to get rioters out of jail (and incidentally got someone killed when a murderer was also bailed out using those funds). Congressional leaders encouraged mobbing and harassment of Trump administration staffers. The Biden DOJ made sure to exercise "prosecutorial discretion" to refrain from prosecuting criminal harassment of justices at their private residences over the leak of the Dobbs decision, after the Senate Majority leader threatened justices by name, stating that "I want to tell you, Gorsuch; I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price."

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