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ZorbaTHut  2yr ago (text post)   4791 thread views

Small-Scale Question Sunday for September 04, 2022

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Are people sentimentally attached to the motte logo? I don’t recall seeing it much under the old.Reddit layout. Might this be a time to switch? I generally don’t love modern aesthetics, but I imagine someone could come up with something a bit better that still retains the motte and Bailey imagery.

Also the name itself. Through it's definitely too late to change this.

Scott himself, in the post where he introduced (popularised?) the term, said

This is a metaphor that only historians of medieval warfare could love, so maybe we can just call the whole thing “strategic equivocation”, which is perfectly clear without the digression into feudal fortifications.

There's a motte logo? Is it the weird liquid metal-esque image at the top of this site?

At the top of the page I see liquid metal. Scrolling down I see a drawing of a medieval fortress.

The image of a “motte and bailey” that reminds me of the box art from Castle II: Seige and Conquest.

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