ArmedTooHeavily
Whatever happened? A breach in the very unity of life, a biological paradox, an abomination, an absurdity, an exaggeration of disastrous nature. Life had overshot its target, blowing itself apart. A species had been armed too heavily – by spirit made almighty without, but equally a menace to its own well-being. Its weapon was like a sword without hilt or plate, a two-edged blade cleaving everything; but he who is to wield it must grasp the blade and turn the one edge toward himself.
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ArmedTooHeavily
11d ago
So do you agree or disagree with the base level argument "nothing happened"? Note that "They tried to make things happen, but they weren't successful" is not in disagreement with "nothing happened."
ArmedTooHeavily
11d ago
"It turns out cheap cotton was the most expensive product in the history of the earth.", to quote Nick Land.
ArmedTooHeavily
13d ago
I think it was significantly the latter. I've watched more than one writer get swallowed by the Twitter algo and more or less lose it. Martyrmade (Darryl Cooper) is a good example, and I'm glad he's focusing on making his next podcast and not tweeting much.
ArmedTooHeavily
14d ago
This is worth remembering. National security concerns or whatever are important, but perhaps the horrors of war and the suffering of those forced to endure it is at least as important.
ArmedTooHeavily
16d ago
very interesting, thanks.
Knowing nothing about this but your comment, it occurs to me that a combination of compartmentalization and Shulgen just being a kooky general could be sufficient. But also, you are right, there is a lot of unexplained weirdness that is insufficiently captured by "it's just disinfo."
ArmedTooHeavily
16d ago
Your first (threat of non-gov entities getting the tech) is a good one, though imo not conclusive. Perhaps they made the bet that no one would shoot one down? Perhaps something about the tech makes them particularly hard to shoot down (this would align with the email's bit about "fly one over the white house").
Re your second: No, China could simply send a private communication to the US saying "FYI the thing that's about to happen over NJ is us", do something with the drones that would require the spooky tech (e.g. depending on what the tech actually is it could be to fly one into controlled airspace without being detected, to do otherwise impossible maneuvers, etc) and voila, effective show of force. You have to remember that we are not the intended audience, the US government is. This played out over and over during the cold war, there is lots of precedent for it.
While unique technology could be a signal, there is no evidence that a unique technology was used, because everything that has been verified is well within conventional COTS capabilities.
You emphatically do not know this. We know there were classified congressional briefings about the drones, so there is clearly information about these drones that is not public. It seems pretty obvious that if there were evidence of a classified technology being used, the government would prefer to keep that from the public.
You are right that the only evidence that we have that the drones were chinese is this one potentially mentally unwell guy. My point is simply that that theory does seem to fit all of the available facts and is possible.
ArmedTooHeavily
16d ago
The B-21 almost certainly employs classified "novel propulsion systems", just like the B-2 did.
ArmedTooHeavily
16d ago
If the US has unmanned fighter technology, why are they buying all these F-35s?
ArmedTooHeavily
16d ago
"UFO" in the traditional sense (ostensibly alien spacecraft) has been used as a disinformation tactic since the late 40s. It worked at Roswell (which was, in fact, a crashed secret American balloon) so it got rolled into the strategies used to cover up secret military projects. I'm making up these percentages, but I'd say 75% of UFO sightings are totally banal misidentifications, 10% of them are outright fakes, 9% of them are unknown-to-the-public aircraft or other tech, and 1% are legitimately weird shit that nobody understands.
ArmedTooHeavily
16d ago
Two things:
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The email clearly says that the US already has the technology, and that China only recently attained it. So no risk of the US knocking down a drone and stealing the tech.
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The entire point of the "show of force" in this case would be a demonstration that China has this novel propulsion system and can successfully deploy it over the US. "Why drop nukes on Japan, it would so much cheaper to just drop conventional bombs?"
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
My wife, upon telling her very excitedly about all of this: "antigravity is just flying, we already have that."
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
This is a redpill most simply aren’t ready for.
As polite feedback, I think your post would be better without this sentence and that this is almost universally true about this sentence.
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
Forgot mod hat?
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
It remained secret until it was unavoidably revealed because its result needed to be used and was impossible to hide.
We know that other secret military planes have remained secret for decades before being revealed.
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
PTSD doesn't make you believe in aliens.
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
Atomic weapons and radar stealth are the two biggest examples.
I think laser-projected plasma generation is another that hasn't been declassified yet.
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
Come to think of it, this is a great use for the X-37!
It was definitely doing something up there for 900+ days, but the antimatter mining thing is probably not it. There are only ten kilowatt hours worth of antimatter in the entire van allen belts.
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
The military isn’t going to let it out of the bag that they’re testing new technology.
I mostly agree, very risky to reveal new military tech before it's fully tested. But I personally think these are mature technologies being used in a show of force, not prototypes being tested.
The lack of these things appearing anywhere other than US naval bases is rather odd
They have appeared in very many places; the article I linked is about them appearing out to sea off the coast of California. That is a very difficult place to deploy anything, especially for American adversaries. It sends a very strong message about naval capability and threat.
I think our tolerance for them buzzing about our assets is probably pretty low, even if we didn’t shoot one down, we’d likely have a drone or two of our own pushing these things away.
The article I link talks about the ships trying to shoot them down. Did you read it?
Anti gravity seems a bit far fetched.
Don't get too fixated on "antigravity" as meaning anything technically specific. "Novel propulsion system" is probably how you should think of it.
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
And yet, history is replete with nations making fundamental scientific discoveries before anyone else and using those to their advantage militarily before their competitors catch up. One way we know that this has happened in the US is that a scientist makes a breakthrough that could be militarily useful, that breakthrough is then immediately classified, and then other scientists are briefed in and conduct classified research and development based on the breakthrough. That can give you a significant first mover advantage because everyone else is still at the starting line, waiting to discover the fundamental breakthrough, and you're racing forward.
Also the entire premise of this situation is that it wasn't successfully concealed and China now has it as well.
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
Perhaps there is some physics research that doesn't require a 500 kilometre synchrotron.
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
The idea that the huge uptick in UFO sightings in the last ~5 years is due to china catching up to the US in whatever this secret "antigravity" propulsion system is holds some water with me. Something has definitely been happening. To quote the email:
What we have been seeing with "drones" is the operational use of gravitic propulsion systems powered aircraft by most recently China in the east coast, but throughout history, the US.
There have been a lot of military sightings of UFOs in the last five years and it really appears like they really are a mystery to the military, or at least the military people who see them. Among people who assume the craft are terrestrial (they obviously are) the prevailing theory has been that they are American tech being used on unknowing American military assets, both as a test of the capabilities and perhaps as a show of force with an "FYI that's us" note quietly slipped to the Chinese. I think that might explain some (most notable the USS Nimitz Tic Tacs), but not all the encounters, and I think that there's an American-centric bias that precludes a lot of people considering they might be somebody else's tech.
This is a particularly crazy example, and is exactly what I'd expect a chinese show of force of drones with secret propulsion tech to look like: https://www.twz.com/43561/mysterious-drone-swarms-over-navy-destroyers-off-california-went-on-for-weeks
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
You'll notice I didn't use the word "antigravity" in my post, and in general I think the posters here missing the forest for that specific tree and getting a little fixated on it as a literal term.
I think that the tech being public in a more rudimentary form makes it much more likely that it exists in a more capable form on classified projects.
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
Seconded, see the latter bit of my post here: https://www.themotte.org/post/1322/culture-war-roundup-for-the-week/283449?context=8#context
ArmedTooHeavily
17d ago
That is the claim made by the guy who blew up the cybertruck, not a claim made by OP.
Effectively nothing happened on Jan 6th, though. There was a riot and it accomplished nothing.
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