TitaniumButterfly
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TitaniumButterfly
5hr ago
To be fair I've never seen any 'burlesque' that didn't consist entirely of glaringly-unattractive women, and that per se would be enough to have me disappointed and disgusted in my hypothetical son. Overlooking the lack of talent among the 'dancers' due to some kind of sick fascination with the aesthetic scans to me as similar to an extreme foot fetish or unhealthy obsession with The Rocky Horror Picture Show or something. Not something you want to see surface in your child.
The point about "but it's not my sister" is the same as "but I did have my breakfast this morning". He can't see the girls on the television as people, they're just there as the framework to which the things he is interested in - bouncing boobs, ass, maybe a hint of more private parts - is attached, they're not persons in their own right.
I never cease to be amazed at how sure you are of your kneejerk imaginings, while also refusing to listen to anyone who tries to help correct you. Once again I'll just say openly that I don't even know why you're here, except that you seem to get a lot of sick enjoyment out of hysterically, but inappropriately, reacting to people who aren't even saying what you'd love to hate them to be saying.
Here you've pattern-matched to a meme that is not applicable (I considered and answered the hypothetical before pointing out it wasn't pertinent) and completely ass-pulled the part about not seeing attractive women as 'persons in their own right'. In fact I do see attractive women as people, and also enjoy looking at them sexually. You're consistently straightforward in admitting that you don't understand this experience at all, so it's just wild to me that you're willing to baselessly impute the worst possible motive to others without any leg to stand on whatsoever.
I award you a downvote and may God have mercy on your soul.
TitaniumButterfly
5hr ago
You'll note that I answered her hypothetical before pointing out that it wasn't relevant.
TitaniumButterfly
5hr ago
Yeah the juggies were part of the main show shot before a studio audience, whereas the girls jumping on trampolines were filmed separately and then just spliced in as a segment. Though for all I know there was substantial overlap between the two groups.
Women on Trampolines
Girls Jumping On Trampolines.
My mom saw me watching that once (I'd have been 17 probably) and got angry and demanded to know how I'd feel if it were my sister jumping on the trampoline.
I told her I wouldn't be interested in watching my sister, but these women were not my sister. We looked at each other for a bit and then she left.
TitaniumButterfly
1d ago
The men of Victorian Britain were straightforward in their class bias and sincerely believed the lower classes were fundamentally-distinct in terms of inclination and potential, and talked about this openly.
Obviously everyone still understands this on some level but in the current context it must be denied at least publicly, and I'm surprised to find that such attitudes persist to such a degree as to result in the lack of outrage we see today.
And yet the same logic isn't applied to immigrants? I'm not trying to be cute when I say that this confuses me.
Like, I can throw cynical epicycles at the problem (something something signaling) but at some point I'm just speculating and every answer seems to raise further questions.
TitaniumButterfly
1d ago
TitaniumButterfly
2d ago
Vibecamp seems to cater to people who delight in sexual transgression per se.
TitaniumButterfly
3d ago
I agree with both of you. Shrug
TitaniumButterfly
4d ago
High-stakes negotiator.
Actually tried to pursue this but discovered that 'hired gun negotiators' aren't really a thing.
TitaniumButterfly
4d ago
Feed it into Claude and tell it to add punctuation for you.
TitaniumButterfly
4d ago
I'm just thinking about how insufferable the inevitable movie is going to be if Iran wins.
TitaniumButterfly
4d ago
Elder Race is the only one of his I've read and what I recall is that the spunky princess spends a lot, a lot of time wringing her hands over the possibility that he'll try to make moves on her and due to the power disparity she'll have to go along with it, but in practice he's a perfect fedora-tipping gentleman without any trace of toxic masculinity who would never treat m'lady so.
It's been a while but I recall the whole thing feeling extremely reddit.
Based on the one book I decided I wouldn't be reading anything else of his. We're spoiled for choice anyway.
TitaniumButterfly
5d ago
I like it. Reminds me in many ways of Lord of Light.
TitaniumButterfly
6d ago
Thanks! Was just wishing for this earlier this week. I don't like blocking people but it can be hard sometimes to keep track of the ones I've decided to not respond to in the future.
Also details about people I do like. =)
TitaniumButterfly
6d ago
TitaniumButterfly
6d ago
We've addressed this and I invite you to move on to another topic. (And should mention that I'm about done with Motte time for the day)
TitaniumButterfly
6d ago
No, I don't concede that. There's nothing stopping parents from just having another child (outside of etc. etc.) and having both is much better than killing one and only having the other.
TitaniumButterfly
6d ago
We could also trade off dumb and ugly and sad children for better ones, I guess. It's not a slope I'd care to find myself on and I have zero faith in others to not keep sliding down it.
TitaniumButterfly
6d ago
Not only have we shifted the goal posts to what I agree is a highly non-central situation at best, but even people who happen to be in that situation can't, in practice, know whether they are.
Seems just as plausible to me that if they're at the end of their child-bearing years they might abort what would have been their last (and in some cases only) child and not be able to conceive again.
Bird in the hand and all that.
TitaniumButterfly
6d ago
I'm not. I'm arguing that they're missing out, in fact impoverishing themselves, by not having and loving every child God gives them.
TitaniumButterfly
6d ago
Waiting for a promotion opportunity can feel like torture too. How much easier might life be if your boss unfortunately, unexpectedly passed away when you're the obvious candidate to replace him? Or if that competitor who's making business hard just vanished one day, not to be heard from again? It'd probably be really good for your kids, too.
TitaniumButterfly
6d ago
This seems to assume that having a Down syndrome child precludes having another child afterward, which strikes me as odd.
Not OP but that doesn't seem to follow in the slightest, no. The child is (obviously) denied a rich tapestry of experience and so is the parent. This doesn't imply that on the parent's side it's worthwhile to maximize for diversity of weird and unpleasant challenges. Only that if they do get a child with those differences, they're missing out on something by not experiencing the child and the relationship they'd have had with him or her.
As an inveterate baby-maker (on the male side) myself, my concern isn't for the burden on my wife and I. We'd rise to it well, I think. My concern is for the dampening effect it might have on the lives of my other children. I don't see murder as a reasonable solution, though; if I did, I can think of a lot of other people whose deaths would probably also improve my children's lives.
I knew a situation where an older guy (maybe 60s) was living with two amerindian sisters in their 20s, providing for and sleeping with them both. Wonder if it's easier with sisters. Though to be honest I highly doubt any of them had ever heard the word 'polyamory'. The vibe was much more Great Frontier mountain man finds himself in the not-entirely-unpleasant situation of caring for two Shoshoni gals cut off from their tribe.
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