Bartender_Venator
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Bartender_Venator
1d ago
It's a numbers game, modulated by the attractiveness of your pictures and your standards for looks.
Bartender_Venator
1d ago
Then my guess is that you're scaring the hoes in your logistics messaging somehow. But, also, women are just inherently flakey, and luck blows hot and cold in all aspects of life. Sometimes it'll be a string of "haha something came up sorrrrry", sometimes you'll get a "lol im so drunk can i just come over" and sometimes it'll be "lol im so drunk can i just come over" and she comes over and loses her hearing in one ear mid-makeout and you have to take her to urgent care at midnight because she has a pierced eardrum. This shit's weird, man, all you can do is dial in things on your end - including uncomfortable reflection on your technique - and then ride the waves as they come.
Bartender_Venator
1d ago
You know ball. However, I would say that in football, there's a constant pattern of youth players who are physically dominant on U-16/18/21 teams (black, white, and hispanic) failing to kick on after that peak. It's kind of priced into football youth development in a way it isn't in American football. Also, breaking through early and playing a ton of minutes is a recipe for being an injury disaster in your late 20s, as the example of Rooney (or Jack Wilshere, or Gareth Bale - btw I disagree with your assessment of Rooney, he went to United at 18 and was their top league scorer in his first season) shows; late-blooming players often have much longer peaks because by the time they reach that peak of game intelligence their body is still able to handle it. Helps if you're in Spain/France and thus doped to the gills, of course.
Bartender_Venator
1d ago
Saka (starboy), Madueke, Eze, Rashford, Ivan Toney, Marc Guehi, Nico O'Reilly, Reece James, Djed Spence, Jarrel Quansah (red card lol), Mainoo (why), and I think I'm missing some. The England squad is very black, particularly London players.
Bartender_Venator
1d ago
I think we've talked about Chicago before, but it's a tough city when it comes to dating. If you're looking for a tradwife type (under 300lbs) you're SOL. My strategy for assembling a roster in Chicago was pretty simple: decent photos, signal class/exoticism, hide all hoe-scaring interests, take her to a wine bar near a park on the first date, go "stargazing" in the park after, kiss her, have a line to get her back to your place with a modicum of deniability. If you want a girl who isn't extraordinarily boring, swipe on service industry girls or wannabe art hoes. Establish rapport and then quickly move to date logistics, never talk politics or sperg out, brush aside any of that with jokes.
Bartender_Venator
8d ago
I'm told that it's difficult to run a trillion-dollar company from prison, even white-collar Club Fed. They might have to find something he did on January 21st, but that shouldn't be too much of an obstacle.
Bartender_Venator
8d ago
I wasn't going to say The shield in case he didn't want spoilers.
Bartender_Venator
8d ago
FYI, if you use a two-hander, you still want a shield (your character puts it on his back while two-handing) because you can get stat bonuses from them even when not holding them.
Bartender_Venator
9d ago
Man, they really trained the LLMs on that coffee_enjoyer post.
Interesting that your experiences diverge so much from mine. If you ask me, travel slutting is a totally different experience if you're a man and also not a celebrity, in that you actually have to plan everything and pay for things yourself (I'll be honest, I did once have my debit card stop working in Antwerp and had to pull an Italian girl to get dinner and a bed). Self-reliant backpacking, in my experience, teaches you the exact opposite skillset and vibe, an upbeat cynicism that always ends in a yearning for the familiar bed back home. Things change a lot when you introduce enough drugs, though. At a certain point, you start thinking "wouldn't it be nice if I had the resources for me and my best friends to get a beautiful rental, spend a weekend rocketing through the psychosphere, and then go home to routine - so, how do I make this happen".
As a wise man once said: when you get the message, put down the phone.
Bartender_Venator
9d ago
I agree - I have a high opinion of Stoicism, hence the lesson about figures in the movement who seek "thought leadership" positions.
Bartender_Venator
9d ago
Note that Ryan Holiday, the most famous Stoic influencer online, regularly seems to have embarrassing emotional meltdowns in public, usually over politics. A lesson in that for dealing with Actually Existing Rationalism, too.
Bartender_Venator
9d ago
Mystery Grove's substack, IM-1776, Shakes' post history.
Bartender_Venator
9d ago
Each day, you get paired with a random person, with weights towards your interests but still allowing some variance.
In a previous career stage, I tried several apps that do things like this, and joined networking groups that do it low-tech. The thing this proposal hasn't considered is MLM schemes and similar sales-motivated people. Which people are most motivated to talk to new people everyday? You've got your founding population, or a parasite group that will move in very quickly (see also the death of Clubhouse).
Bartender_Venator
10d ago
It can both be true that our immigration system is largely a tool of fraud and parasitism, used as a cudgel by elites against the American people, and that in many countries there some men and women with true American hearts, who could make themselves beloved and patriotic Americans today as easily as if they were born here. Just part of the tragedy of the whole situation.
It really depends, irl. I think Scott’s right, it’s all barber pole. If you are at a status level where, by sympathizing with the losers, you could be mistaken for a loser, people will use that to shut you down. Whereas if everyone knows you have a tinder harem, you can sympathize with shut-in incels; if everyone knows you’re fuck-you rich you can sympathize with the rednecks and rust belters; if everybody knows you’re a rarefied academic you can sympathize with ghetto criminals. The thing about status games is that there’s always a bigger fish. On the Internet, there’s no obvious social status granted to a an anon poster (though people can make a play for it, and succeed or fail, as you can see in the contrasting examples of Cim and Count). This means that the moves used to shut down the kinds of discussion you’re talking about are actually more effective on the internet than irl, because online someone can always just accuse you of being a loser, and trying to disprove that puts you on the defensive and thus automatically lowers your status.
Bartender_Venator
13d ago
Something that's funny is that, when you spend a long time in a place like this, you start to get a pretty decent understanding of the psychology of various poaster types. For a lot of people, the arguments are just little props they use to get to the emotion they want to express. Someone wants to find reasons to say "this means civil war!" because he wants to be incandescently angry. Someone wants to write a 2000-word explanation of the Female Mind so that he can feel he understands the species. The anti-victimhood/Elite Human Capital people really wear it on their sleeves, though. "You're a loser, I'm a doer" (as far as I can tell, MKC lives a completely normal and unremarkable life in a completely normal and unremarkable place - not that I'm sneering at raising a family, that's a noble thing, but wildly out of step with some Manichean division of the world into "builders" and "whiners"). That's it, that's the whole post, everything else is a spandrel.
Bartender_Venator
13d ago
I feel like I see this kind if application of rules-lawyering in a lot of inappropriate contexts, such as interpersonal relationships.
I find it irritating and honestly sometimes pathetic on the internet (it's almost always not intended, just the rationalist personality style, but it often comes across as "I'm afraid to debate as a debate, so I want to set the exact frame of the argument exactly where my evidence is strongest, declare the win condition which is easiest for me to achieve, then put every burden of proof I can on you, and declare victory if I can claim I keep the 10% of my argument I choose as my win condition"). Note that this is also how ratbetting works, frame control is often much more important than the substance of the bet. It doesn't help that I grew up around lawyers who tended to see that adversarial mode as implicitly a lesser form of lawyering compared to understanding relationships, pragmatics, iterated games, etc. In comparison, trying to "win" a conversation is a little gauche.
What I do understand is that a full debate, where both sides are fully allowed to contest the frame, takes a lot more work on the internet. You have to write instead of speaking, you have to deal with the inherent difficulty of conveying full meaning via posts, and you lack a direct relationship to your audience/interlocutor. Still, people here should recognize the difference between the two, that one is a lower mode than the other, and that winning or losing a rules-lawyering debate really doesn't matter very much unless the specific question of fact is seriously prior-shifting, which it very rarely is.
Bartender_Venator
14d ago
Yes, ymeskhout was very valuable in keeping people honest, even if he didn't win every point he made (something to be valued on this forum). His, uh, changes of emotional valence and stability came later. Agreed entirely on gattsuru, he's one of the true motteposters to whom we are the comments section.
Bartender_Venator
14d ago
they were both shut down early because adherence was so low it wasn't even ethical to continue it.
Adherence rates to ARVs once AIDS has hit a point that ARVs are imminently lifesaving are low enough to be one of the biggest complaints you'll hear from doctors in Africa. I know someone - a lovely and thoughtful woman - who's nearly died twice because she wanted to stop taking her meds, because taking them was admitting to having the disease. Africa is just a very weird place.
Bartender_Venator
14d ago
I assume that Iconochasm is making some kind of esoteric point, because gattsuru is one of the last people here one could reasonably accuse of tribal blindness.
Bartender_Venator
14d ago
That sounds like a totally unrealistic claim to me. Can you imagine this all-star lineup failing to deliver? They had important bipartisan Senators, Senators from the Bridge to Nowhere State and the Bakersfield-to-Fresno State, on board. They even had Kellyanne Conway to keep Trump happy. To me, this looks like a focused group practiced in relentless goal-driven executing, and they would have delivered us a wonderful celebration of patriotism and fireworks, maybe even multiple fireworks, up to a whole box of fireworks - look, these are busy people...
Bartender_Venator
14d ago
I think many tech higher-ups either don't believe or don't want to believe that, because they don't see it themselves (or they're not articulate/nuanced enough to say they want to close the fraud and keep the elite). The reason half these guys went rightwards is that they started believing their lying eyes, and their eyes are giving them very strong data about the immigrant engineers high up in their businesses/portcos. I agree that this state of affairs is utterly insane, but if you want to convince them you will have to explain how unrepresentative their personal experience is - for Elon, I'd just call it fraud, he likes that.
Bartender_Venator
14d ago
Here's one way to think about it: public sentiment on, say, Indian immigrants to the US is definitely affected positively by the heavy selection we put on their immigration. Now imagine the filters required to be a direct report to Elon. If Elon thinks that H1b/O1 tech workers are incredible at their jobs, he's probably inferring accurately from those he interacts with.
Bartender_Venator
15d ago
I'm not sure I'd believe it if I hadn't guided multiple Euro friends around and watched them react in the exact same way. "I vould like to see ze Val-Mart and ze Buck-ees!"
Sure, I agree with the points you're making. I'm just trying to say that these prospects come and go every year, every top club's fans are hyped up about their academy players, or some other academy prospect they want to sign, and the majority of them go the Januzaj route. Some are cut early, some make it into their early twenties and then go to Bremen or Getafe or Tottenham, and a few make it to be stars, but always far fewer than fans expect in a given season.
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