Throwaway05
7hr ago
This is largely what I think. I think the OP is hypocritical - he's discovered a video that makes Pretti look like a horrible person, so he concludes that Pretti 'deserved it'.
The new video doesn't change anything for me.
Nor have I landed on deserve it as you mean.
And - you can absolutely come up with the conclusion that he was a bad person. Just because you think you are right doesn't make you moral or right. Don't fight the police. Don't destroy public property. Those are pretty good standards for social vs. anti-social behavior.
Throwaway05
7hr ago
I don't know how many times we have to explain "shooting to wound" isn't a thing and "shoot until the threat is eliminated" is standard practice.
It comes up every time, people don't get the message. That is nobody's fault but yours.
Once the mistake is made nobody is going to be able to abort the situation until afterwards.
Throwaway05
8hr ago
Lots of investigation and litigation did little to change any minds in the Rittenhouse case, even though it was immediately obvious it was one of the clearest self defense cases ever.
The Good case requires no investigation - all the necessary information was immediately available, it's obvious the shoot was fine. Further information only provided additional evidence Good was an idiot and may provide some rhetorical flourish.
This case is a tragedy, but again additional information isn't needed, it just might soften the view for some people who don't understand what is going on.
Most of the criticism is coming from people who don't have any understanding of how this works, in the context of a social milieu and lying media that lets this ignorance get passed around long enough to be fact.
Take a look at the Good case - you have a ton of armchair quarterbacking going frame by frame trying to find an excuse to blame Ice. People do not operate at those decision speeds. It's just attempts to retroactively justify outrage.
You can say that my clarity is false and you don't agree on the facts, but then we are just looking at a two screen world - any investigate is meaningless for truth seeking, it's just about rhetoric and propaganda.
Throwaway05
9hr ago
I think my point there is more about people blindly following a hateful ideology while not realizing the ideology is itself very hateful.
This is not a problem specific to the left or the right.
Throwaway05
9hr ago
My point is that some behaviors are sufficiently bad that they cause a known reaction and it is in part your fault for causing that reaction.
This is an important point that is lost in many domains, and as others have pointed out - one of those is bullying.
The stance of many here is that this guy (and good) fucked around and found out. They made mistakes that anyway with any clear thinking would not because they are known to be both avoidable and potentially deadly.
Don't fight the police while carrying a gun is like the most basic thing you can think of (not that "don't fight the police at all" isn't one of the biggest pieces of advice everyone gives their kids). While many on the left don't understand guns, this is mostly equivalent to saying "don't attack the police with a deadly weapon or you might get dead."
The idea that "he wasn't going to use it" is not tenable in a real life situation because everyone claims they weren't or aren't including people actively shooting you...... I.... I don't think most people on the left actually understand how the world works anymore.
Throwaway05
12hr ago
I wrote about similar situations in one of my recent posts.
If you haven't been in a scuffle like this it is hard to convey.
Even if you do something (like disarm the guy), it takes awhile for everyone to be aware of that, even in a controlled environment. In a messy situation like this? Fuck no.
It looks bad, but if you had omniscient level understanding of everyone's moment to moment information and thought process you'd likely see that the thinking here was not the problem.
These things just aren't like the movies or how people think they are, which is one of the reasons why after the Good situation a lot of were like "no, stop doing this, no training and skill is enough, keep doing things like this and more unavoidable bad outcomes will happen. When not if."
Throwaway05
12hr ago
My understanding is that the legal system draws a distinction between "move, I want that seat" and "hey nigger move your bitch ass or I'll rape your ugly retarded mother,"
Some behaviors have a clear, dangerous response. See: "fighting words."
The institutional loss of knowledge of these tensions is causing problems. Obviously wearing a miniskirt in public doesn't justify anything. Doing the same alone at a bar where date rapes happen and not monitoring your drink also doesn't justify anything, but it certainly is a sign of poor judgement.
Breaking into a private biker bar and shouting "rape me pussies." Yeah... that one is your fault.
Where to draw these lines is important and hard, but at some point people need to understand that their actions have consequences and they become part of the blame equation.
Throwaway05
14hr ago
This situation makes all of this quite complicated - you can't really call something a delusions if a good third to half the country believe it for instance.
Social pressures and informational pressures making unsafe (and maybe even evil) behavior not seem that way isn't a psychiatric issue, hell it isn't even a personality issue, that is what makes it so dangerous.
You break healthy people and make them do worrying shit.
This is why I think the left are the real Nazis. These are the people would be happily killing jews back in the day.
Throwaway05
14hr ago
Good reminder, thank you.
Throwaway05
14hr ago
For what it's worth I think attorneys have it worse. :/
Throwaway05
14hr ago
I don't agree with much of this comment but I appreciate you sharing it.
Throwaway05
14hr ago
extrajudicial summary execution
It was an accident, in all likelihood the claim from everyone will turn into "we thought he still had a gun."
That's accidental mutual combat, self-defense, a tragedy, whatever - not an execution or assassination as we see the media try.
Throwaway05
15hr ago
Thanks, this one helps - I see a wide swath of the population but what people say and espouse to their doctor/while at work isn't necessary the full run of thoughts and experiences. Good reminder.
Throwaway05
15hr ago
I think the most dangerous part of wokeism is how ego-syntonic it is. It tells you all your worst instincts are completely appropriate (against them), it tells you are a good person and you have empathy.
It's is a scaffolding which permits so much bad behavior, just as the worst religions do.
Throwaway05
15hr ago
I was vague because I am not sure if the word deserve applies and think it's a tough situation - the rational and emotional parts of my brain are both split.
As a more immediate note - if you wear a gun in front of cops you have certainly behavioral responsibilities that he did not meet on multiple occasions.
He didn't walk around the bad part of town wearing a miniskirt, he did it while wearing a miniskirt and making racial slurs and daring people to assault him. This certainly doesn't ethically clear any rapists in full, but it alters the calculus quite a bit.
People need to have accountability for behavior, especially when what not to do is obvious, clearly understood, and impulse control does not apply.
Throwaway05
15hr ago
Now, the wiggling around is basically a human reflex, but it is one that must be suppressed if you find yourself in the position of being arrested.
I don't think this is a fair standard by any means but reminds me of the Gom Jabbar from Dune.
Throwaway05
18hr ago
I don't think so, these people really feel like they are saving the country from the Nazis. At the same time they have some dissonance and feel safe and don't understand that you don't do bad shit while armed.
Nobody in their social groups or in the media tells them what they are doing is a bad idea.
Throwaway05
19hr ago
Apologies if someone has brought this up already, but new video of Pretty is out from days before he died.
He appears to be caught on video at least one other time engaging violently with the police while armed (for some definitions of violent) and is alleged by some sources to have been spitting at the cops.
This generates two thoughts for me:
- Every single time. Every one. The person involved deserved it - many here may think deserve applies in the traditional sense, but I think at minimum we see "deserve" here in the sense of "engaged in stupid avoidable behavior that necessitated the response or failing that represents a lifestyle that drastically increases the likelihood of a bad outcome."
Don't do crimes. Hell, don't be a career criminal doing multiple crimes. Don't engage in unethical and illegal protests. Don't attack the police, however well intentioned. Rarely - don't date people who commit serious and violent crimes.
I can think of a very small number of cases where this sort of thing didn't turn out to be true and while those are tragedies we have a large population with a large criminal underclass, if our ratio is a hundred million to one then we are doing okay.
These are simple rules - don't be a criminal asshole, even if you are convinced of your own virtue unless you can accept the consequences. And perhaps we shouldn't burn down our society for anti-social criminals.
As corollaries-
I am now essentially convinced you can dismiss most defenses of these individuals reflexively. This is probably not good intellectual hygiene but every single time (every one!) you see a lot of lies put forth without evidence that don't make sense and often contradict available information. People later acknowledge the error or follow-up. People still don't know the undisputed facts about Rittenhouse, or the issues with the Arbery narrative (as seen in this weeks thread).
Additionally I don't know how many of us here actually regularly interact with American black people but it's a core feature of my job and I have some in my extended family. They (and their woke allies) are absolutely convinced they are liable to be killed for no reason at all at any time by police. This includes the guy from the ghetto, this includes the well behaved upper class by birth Harvard educated chair of surgery who walks to and from work in a suit more expensive than most cars.
The beliefs many people have are just completely untethered from reality and unchallenged. If knowledge is a justified true belief then these people know nothing.
- The psychology of the left is worse than you think and if anyone has any white pilling at all I'd love it.
My social network is unsurprisingly riddled with healthcare professionals, as Pretti was. To fully describe what I see in most of them in full would likely get labeled as a straw man, so I won't, but most of the accusations seem to be trivially true for me - they think Trump is literally Hitler and that ICE is the Gestapo, they are seeking violence and finds it justified and at the same time don't seem to think what they are doing constitutes violence.
Perhaps most importantly - everyone seems to have big opinions and feelings about politics but at the same time has no quality information, consumed no quality analysis and doesn't know agreed upon facts, much less the ones that aren't agree upon. Nothing has ever been engaged with critically, analyzed, discussed, pushed back on.
This includes the highly intelligent and educated and the guy who pushes the food carts.
Feelings about ICE and Pretti and Good are mandatory. Informed opinions are absent.
In truth I am not sure why I wrote this, some if it is surely cover to point out that Pretti appears to be an idiot. Some of it is processing my feelings. I don't think much of what I'm saying is novel, but I can tell those who don't have the experience that as someone working in an environment with a lot of minorities and a lot of institutionalized wokeness...well people have been lobotomized.
Perhaps I'm hoping someone will say something that gives me hope, but even here our left leaning posters mostly seem to be blind soldiers for the cause.
Throwaway05
1d ago
You didn't listen to me. I did not come here to win, I came here to kill you.
Throwaway05
1d ago
WoT?
Throwaway05
1d ago
To me this is a Trump-esque kill shot.
Nothing has changed from the BLM days - with sufficient media cover you can do whatever you want and it will be painted as both good and not what it actually was.
Meanwhile our country spirals apart from a preponderance of failures of institutions and people being allowed to and encouraged to believe total absurdities.
OP just wrote a lot of words that are full of sound and fury, signifying nothing, and we upvote that because that is what we do while Rome burns.
Throwaway05
1d ago
Most therapists are middling, but a middling therapist can still be great if most of your processing comes from friends, and a great therapist can be life changing.
I believe I indicated this last time but many of them are good at not being good progressive soldiers in the room even if that's what they are outside of it.
Best of luck!
Throwaway05
1d ago
Any idea if we are getting more Cinder Spires? Last I heard he was going to decide based off sales.
The sword moment in the last book was peak and I want more.
Throwaway05
2d ago
Use case is a little different but I hate in-ears and ended up buying some Powerbeats Pro 2s for my commute and they've been great and don't really irritate my ears the way most in-ears do (by virtue of not actually being in-ear).
One of the growing conclusions that the anti-woke are coming to is that the left doesn't believe in rules and laws and is tired of having that used against them.
Noem calls this guy a domestic terrorist and everyone loses their mind. Everyone on their mother on the left call it an assassination or an execution? Silence.
If you play pure power politics don't be surprised if the other side starts doing that to.
I don't like it but you can't cooperative with defect bot.
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