Throwaway05
2hr ago
It's certainly possible my community was particularly aggressive, that it was an American thing, or that that time is now over - but for a good decade or so if you were in a gay space you'd get groped, or get comments that were rather unacceptable or forward. Some of this is the lack of time wasting in the gay community but even gay men will complain about this - someone who wants a more heterosexual romance can often find it hard or impossible to find and just end up barraged with dick picks, promiscuity, and harassment.
The community is degenerate, and to some extent that is okay - but it's a problem when it impedes on people outside the community (it does) and has reached the point where some people in the community are mad about degeneracy (see: growing number of gay Republicans).
With respect to the STIs - yes many straights are just jealous and straights would have similar behaviors if allowed (and celebrities do do that) but celebrities are small in number and the rest can't so gay people are currently causing a public health crisis (and did in the past when parts of the community declined to acknowledge the existence of AIDs).
It's selfish and anti-social behavior that does in fact hurt others and while I don't think it should be banned it does annoy me that we don't have the social technology to make things better. Likewise I don't agree that we should just let them die from venereal disease but it should be doable to understand why some people feel that way.
Most STIs are much, much more of a choice than the average lifestyle disease. Avoiding addiction and overeating is hard. Putting a goddamn condom on is easy.
Throwaway05
4hr ago
Thank you for indulging my curiosity!
Throwaway05
5hr ago
I am 100% against CSAM existing in any capacity, but your objection raises a question - is it about training data? Would an AGI that can act based off of extrapolation salve your objections?
Throwaway05
5hr ago
This is meandering.
When I was younger we used to call gay people "faggots," which was the style at the time. Increasing acceptance and exposure (as well as the same stuff that eventually created "woke") rendered that inappropriate and impolite and the world verboten.
For a time in between those two states you would call someone a faggot if they were gay and obnoxious about it. You don't do that anymore but you can have some very important adjacent insights. Plenty of gay people are just like "straight men" who have sex with men. Plenty of are flaming gays and it's those who have a disproportionate mindshare in the minds of straight men and conservatives.
This is for good reason - they are socially aggressive, much more likely to sexually harass, culturally evangelical, beloved by straight women and therefore a distraction and a bunch of other shit.
Psychologically once you establish a culture without shame (and especially if it has widespread support like you see for gay and trans communities right now) things can go off the rails very fast. Drag queen story hour is fundamentally the same stuff as a gay couple who refuse to stop having sex in public (and unlike a straight couple make no effort to hide).
That couple is rare, as bug chasers are - but they have no guilt or shame and a social milieu which fully supports bonkers and inappropriate behavior.
Most gay people may in fact not be like this, but as many of my gay friends complain - they are culturally marginalized by gay men who are assholes or inappropriate (and those get support from the woke victim complex). Bug chasers are also rare but they are real and like any rare but high impact group they can cause problems.
Some of the bad behaviors are by no means rare however. Sexual harassment by gay men is crazy common. Once I stopped being young and athletic women stopped sexual harassing me (yay?) gay men never stopped. It's not a lot of them (but sadly it's more like 10% then 1%), but the ones who do it harass enough that it's a common experience.
Like most modern Americans I don't really have any issue with gay men (or any other demographic) that acts within the bounds of polite and appropriate behavior, but again enough people from these groups exist and they are metaphorically forced down our throats by pride initiatives and the woke (a similar annoying demographic is the militant lesbian who ex complains about manspreading on the subway but sits with her legs as far apart as she can because "men do it" and doesn't understand hip morphology).
Some of the bad behavior does have more direct impact on the rest of the population though. AIDS is a disease of the gay that took a lot of work to get into the straight population and this was caused by gay men who made zero effort to change their behavior.
Another similar problem (in the U.S. at least) is a rise in STIs and drug resistant STIs because gay men have hundreds of partners, refuse to use condoms and then fuck bi and "straight" people. Because they can't get pregnant and HIV is no longer a death sentence they refuse to use safe sex practices. Shut the fuck up and wrap your shit or have a reasonable number of partners, "benign" STIs are significantly more problematic for the female population.
So I do think some of the aggravation in this thread is coming from a reality based place.
Throwaway05
6hr ago
I gotta imagine you'd see a lot of arguments-
"It's disgusting," "making it is terrible," "having this exist encourages production, consumption, and interest," various religious and specific ethical motivations etc etc.
Production is bad is probably the most clear and obvious bad outcome but the vast majority of people would be against drawn or AI versions.
Throwaway05
9hr ago
While disgruntled women may not like men looking at the 19 year old cheerleader/athlete/celebrity most men are going to find that acceptable (outside of woke circles),*
I tried to capture your example in age of consent laws, which (at least when I was a teenager, I don't know if this has been patched everywhere) could get you in trouble for dating a high school student while you were in high school.
*Notably in porn, most places don't use "jailbait" or "teen" heavily anymore but stepsister porn is high popularity and while the reasons for existence have less to do with the age stuff, it's definitely by implication underage people even if the actors involved are clearly in their late 20s and make sure to loudly explicitly state "I'm over 18."
Throwaway05
12hr ago
I actually wouldn't have posted my opinion outside the Motte since I don't want to aid and abet that crowd. I was hoping to share my view here merely as a data point, not as an implied condemnation of the game or anyone's taste.
Love that!
Superweapon
Probably, but a lot of people here are autistic enough to be like "that 16 year old looks 23 and massive tits why is this in the same category....." (with threat of social censure making most not say that and many of those believe it). While Stellar Blade is a different situation those lessons metastasize elsewhere.
DW's shitty cultural milieu
Between my social scene and work I am very fortunate to have access to pretty much the full range of people. It's really important to remember the lessons of "its just those kids on college campuses" we started hearing that in the early 2010s and now our culture is unrecognizable, if you have a lot of woke access you'll see that the stereotypes and worst ideas are all full throttle. I was talking to a former NFL player turned business exec at dinner this weekend. Guy is about the most anti-woke manly male you will ever see, but his wife and daughters are woke crazies so he uses his charisma and authority to push their agenda.
The crazies are crazy and have ways to make the rest of us suffer the crazy.*
*Because of the specific topic I will clarify I mean specifically with respect to healthy age gap relationships, I don't want anyone thinking I am a pedophile because even posting anonymously it's a scary thought that someone would incorrectly think that.
Throwaway05
12hr ago
You may have a heightened degree of sensitivity for this topic (which is by no means wrong, the heat generated by it is kind of the point, see other poster's comments) or an increased ability to perform facial discrimination and be actually correct - but you have seen enough posters quickly post their anecdata, many people aren't really seeing what you are seeing (again doesn't make us more correct, just reflecting the views of others).
With respect to the woke scolds. Yes. Yes people care what those people think. Those people run the culture and decide what is allowed and permitted and what gets you fired. A small but lovely part of watching the World Cup was seeing beautiful people from around the world representing the appearance and character of those countries. That's banned now, so when the camera scans the crowd it's mostly fat old guys in costumes. The world was made dimmer by the woke scolds and they are working on age gap relationships right now.
As to the frequency of these beliefs.... I work in healthcare so I'm around tons of basic bitch women all the time, they've all obtained the download and find everything bad and to be truly "pedophilia," even the ones who fantasize about a rich age gap relationship for them. It's just how they are.
Throwaway05
13hr ago
Can't find the citation because it was video but I did see a Critical Drinker video recently where one of the plugged into Hollywood guys was implying that something about the Hammer accusations was bullshit and that he might have gotten looped into the #MeToo hysteria.
The whole cannabalism thing seems to be a bad look but at least one person with privileged knowledge (although not un unbiased narrator) is questioning the narrative.
Post still filtered at this time so not sure of the context.
Throwaway05
13hr ago
I mean several things get wrapped into pedophilia:
-Age gap relationships.
-Socially approved Ephebophilia (such and such sexualized pop starlet is 18, now we can stare at her).
-Socially not approved Ephebphilia (such and such sexualized pop starlet is 17 and 360 days old).
-Clearly not okay relationships that fall afoul of age of consent laws.
-Clearly okay relationships that fall afoul of age of consent laws.
-Historically accurate but icky relationships between a post-pubescent but young child and a much older person, usually a noble or equivalent figure.
-Actual relationships or physical contact between an adult and a prepubescent child (aka actual pedophilia).
Obviously I've approached this a in a loaded way, but all of these things get labeled pedophilia by some people. Your lines may not match what the woke feel is appropriate for instance, nevertheless they've had a lot of success at labeling the first item pedophilia.
Realistically we need other words for icky behavior but we don't have them, even as an anti-woke person what Leonardo DiCaprio gets up to is weird and deserves some social censure. But we have the one weird and it gets tossed everywhere.
With respect to the matter at hand - I know lots of Asians and Asian enjoyers who are like "yeah this looks normal" even if you don't feel that way, and I have seen some cosplayers already look like the character.
Throwaway05
2d ago
Ultrasound doesn't really give the information you'd need for a lot of things, but I did a quick lit review and it looks like nature has a paper about some novel techniques they may be copying.
Still probably snake oil but okay fair play maybe this will go somewhere.
Throwaway05
2d ago
Ultrasound is very good at some things but is currently understood to be fundamentally unable to provide information about things Midjourney has made claims on. Thanks to AI I'm not going to say it's impossible (unlike say Theranos) but it certainly looks like one of those situations...
Throwaway05
3d ago
I mean the past is a different country.
It def used to be a thing.
Throwaway05
5d ago
Therapy stuff
Those questions are part of the chain of reasoning required to figure out what is wrong and address it. Depression is often a cause. Although, therapy quality is annoyingly variable.
Do you actually have an agency in mind? I'd be happy to dump my life savings into this (a few hundred thousand) if I thought it likely to work.
I mean it sounds like you know what to do right? So just do it. ...but it isn't that simple. Paying someone to tell you what to do has the same issue.
Throwaway05
5d ago
Yes and no.
The traditional answer is therapy - therapists should not be providing you with advice but can help you explore your motivations and challenges and keep on top of deficiencies. If you know what to do, why can't you do it type things.*
For more directly what you are asking for, yes absolutely this exists but it is out of your price range. Anyone organized and persuasive enough to actually do this well is facing a steep opportunity cost, and working on contingency makes little sense because very few people can be handed success and make something of it.
If you come from a good background the traditional approach was to leverage your parent's network.
I do imagine with the amount of scams, gig economy nonsense and outright LLMs around these days you can probably find something somewhere but I would use caution.
Although speaking of LLMs - this might actually be a legitimately helpful use case.
*And this is a question that really needs to be answered.
Throwaway05
6d ago
Recent years in the US have made me mourn the death of organized crime and its replacement with disorganized crime.
Throwaway05
6d ago
We can teach you to use your feet with unnatural dexterity but not to throw around racial slurs during the game? That's an unreasonable degree of discipline?
I mean, they have been hit in the head a bunch of times.
Honestly it's surprising it isn't more of a problem in any sport with head injuries.
Throwaway05
6d ago
I don't know. Step one is to establish if it really is a thing or I'm just bitching.
From there decide if it is bad or not, but I think so - the endless flow (unlike most other sports) is part of what makes it the beautiful game, anything that gets in the way of that is eeeehhhhhh.
Unlike some of the other modernizations (VAR) this one is more of a taste thing, and a differentiating factor.
Throwaway05
6d ago
this fella looks healthy and helpful and harmless,
This is a good unethical life pro tip - scrubs as a man gives you almost as much leeway as a yellow high vis vest, except with the cops.
Throwaway05
6d ago
Yeah it's completely swapped, to the point where a lot of people in healthcare will refuse to acknowledge the idea that it was ever left coded at all (in my experience previously it was the hippies and skeptical inner city Blacks, now those populations have been overshadowed by very loud and paranoid right wingers).
Throwaway05
6d ago
Apparently this kinda thing is basically how the Mafia got started.
Throwaway05
7d ago
Thankfully it's pretty mild but that also makes it harder to suss out.
A deficiency in empathy or a refusal to "waste time" on vaccine adherence counseling are both meaningful and unprofessional and very real and at the same time kinda small potatoes.
Throwaway05
7d ago
I mean it's not speculation, I've seen people provide worse care to people wearing MAGA gear
Throwaway05
7d ago
Climate is weird. I think the stadium formerly known as Metlife was actually the hottest one last weekend (NJ).
Most positions! For the love of god no wide receivers though.
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