drmanhattan16
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drmanhattan16
11mo ago
None of them are Nazis. Easy.
I didn't say any of them were. I said moving in that direction.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
I acknowledge that leftists do bad things. It is the height of absurdity to believe that this fact somehow absolves the need for proof that the leftists were responsible in this case.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
You cannot use the existence of bad actors to hand-wave away the need for good or proper behavior. There are people who will never see socialism in a good light or give it a fair hearing, that doesn't absolve any good-faith socialist from being truthful and honest in their argumentation.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
Nope. I explicitly asked for evidence that the left or breadtube at large was trying to take down IH. One thread on Reddit isn't proof of that.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
No, just a statement about what he actually thinks would be enough for me. I'm not on the anti-IH train.
Does every reference to che guevara have to result in a groveling apology for the crimes of communism?
If you insert sneaky references to Che and make videos portraying him in a positive light, then yeah, people are going to think you support Che. The "it's just a joke" thing is a valid defense if you actually explain your position as not defending him or just sticking it to the Che haters, otherwise you're remaining in ambiguity and might suffer some consequences if anti-Che sentiment becomes so powerful that they start demanding people be socially ostracized for any perceived defense of Che.
Is it good? Probably not. Is there a clear way out? Yes.
I don’t know why he bothered with the edgy jokes and dogswhistles. He should have simply called for the genocide of jews, then the presidents of harvard and co would find his behaviour compatible with a strongly inclusive code of conduct.
Can you indicate to me a prior instance in which a Harvard student was punished for stating "death to all (insert progressive-favored group here}" to no one in particular?
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
I looked at the IH's followers, but I can't see the whole list (746 total, but I only see about 50). I was going to argue that he doesn't seem to be following politics accounts in general or whatever and so it might be more informative that he follows people like DeSantis, LoTT, McInnes, etc. But I can't see all his follows, so I can't say for sure.
I'm fine with the idea that he might be following just to see what they say, but if the sampling I got from the "follows" tab for him were accurate, it's like 90% various e-celebs (on the Youtube/Twitch space) and some conservative figures. I don't think it's unrealistic to imagine he follows because he's at least partially attuned to the message.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
The only thing predictable is how you leapt to idea that I was doing the "it's not happening, but if it is, he deserves it" meme. This is behavior that must be downloadable from somewhere, it's so rote and repetitive. No one can criticize a person you like in good faith, can they? No, they must be part of a left-wing conspiracy.
More to the point, that thread isn't proof of your claim. You didn't argue that they thought he was a Nazi, you argued that they were, in concert, coming after him before the plagiarism accusation.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
That thread is by far the most popular ever on that subreddit, and lists evidence that IH is a Nazi. I’d summarize the evidence as “IH has a 4-chany sense of humor, has made some edgy jokes, and **follows mainstream conservatives on Twitter.**”
The issue with the bolded part is that that's not a defense. In particular, the ones they cite are Libs Of Tik Tok, Gavin McInnes, and Ron Desantis. You could maybe excuse Desantis, but you still have to grapple with the question of whether mainstream conservatism itself moved in the direction of Nazism in recent years, which is probably something IH's accusers don't have any issue believing. They might be wrong, but it's not a trivially dismissed point of evidence.
For instance, many of the evidence points are that IH has made jokes in his videos about Nazis and the KKK. In one video, he put 14/88 in the background
You're improperly summarizing the actual point that post made - The game being referenced where he put "14/88" in doesn't allow values for that field if they aren't divisible by 5. He had to choose that number.
These arguments strike me as so divorced from reality that it’s difficult to bridge the gap. These jokes are not actually making light of Hitler, Nazis, and the KKK.
This is a valid defense, but it's impossible to prove just from IH's actions where he actually stands on the topic, and so you can't tell he's saying these things to just mock the left or he's doing it because he's inserting what he actually thinks as jokes. It's not an unheard of strategy - Nick Fuentes has a clip of him saying that humor was a way to promote his brand of politics and that he couldn't obviously be forthcoming about what he actually believed.
I've watch IH's videos, including the ones mentioned in the post you linked. The Bike-lock professor one was straight up "4chan does good thing by catching attacker" and mocks neopronouns at the beginning of the video. Which part of this is mocking the lefties?
Ultimately, IH needs to cease his policy of silence and be forthcoming - both about the plagiarizing and where his actual politics stand. That's inherently the burden you take on when you aren't in the Overton Window. That applies to literally anything a person does.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
Which PT video are you referring to?
Secondly, as far as I know, the issue with the initial Somerton accusations was that he had much more clout than the person accusing him. His fans can't send HBomberguy off the internet with death threats or whatever, the dude is much bigger and isn't going to succumb to such attacks. That probably has more to do with why this attack stuck and previous ones didn't.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
Your description of what Christians "meant" when they asked "how can you be moral without God?" is so charitable to them that I'm going to ask for evidence. I have never seen this as the intended meaning.
Secondly, I have no idea what "clicks" you are talking about when you say you need to use Lizzo in your post. Is that the image that appears in the email that goes out? For that matter, why those two women in particular?
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
I didn't say you couldn't criticize it, I read your message as asking why anyone was calling him a Nazi. I was just explaining that, that's all.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
Someone in the comments says it better, but the optimal amount of bad thing is 0. What is optimally non-zero is bad thing detection/prevention.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
From what I understand, IH has multiple videos covering 4Chan drama/stories, but he was never highly critical of 4Chan, which would have been evidence against him being a Nazi. He also unironically likes Tucker Carlson and has stated on his subreddit that his politics aren't exactly welcome online, though that obviously covers anyone to the right of Stalin in some circles. Lastly, there are comments which don't appear to be ironic anti-Semitism on his channel from others, which HBomberguy accused him of having because he "cultivated that audience".
It's ultimately a lazy smear, but the actual critique of him plagiarizing stands apart from that, nor was the jab at his audience more than a throw-away line in HBomberguy's video.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
I wouldn't be too sure on IH only doing it once. Some people on his subreddit have started digging into Cost of Concordia and think he might have done the same there. It's not obviously bullshit on the face of it.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
What videos apart from his were attacking Somerton?
Secondly, why does there need to be coordination. The accusations against Somerton were first discussed openly on Twitter long before this video.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
How is it the entire breadtube ecosystem? Even in the responses to this person, there are people disagreeing with them.
If you're gonna present this as "breadtube/the left is out to get IH", you need stronger evidence than this.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
I didn't remember all the details, but yeah, that sounds about right. It really is bizarre that people think this isn't enough to motivate the response to LTT.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
This is one person expressing this viewpoint, and no one was coming after IH until it was clear that he had plagiarized the Mental Floss article.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
You can go and look at the LTT subreddit and their forums, people were openly expressing the notion that the botched benchmarks didn't really matter and the only thing that did was the prototype GPU or whatever that the other company had provided and LTT had given away.
Moreover, HBomberGuy literally called out a gay YouTuber on his own side, to the point that the guy literally deleted his social media and patreon page.
Why is it impossible to believe that other people can care about this for the stated reasons?
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
I hope that I'm not badly misunderstanding you... you're saying it would more acceptable to have sex with a kid, if neither party is interested?
It might be. I haven't fully thought through the ramifications, so I won't endorse the position. But it seems to me as if a major part of the anti-progressive rejection of child sexual liberation is that only pedos want to fuck kids, so if you make a socially accepted position in which that can happen, then pedos will naturally accumulate in that position.
To address the issue of trauma, I think adults can and often do engage in all kids of work/actions which they don't actually like doing. As for the "kid" part, I think it's best we drop that, because at the very least, the American education system by and large teaches these things when you are in middle school, which I don't think is a population considered "kids".
So, if we knew that neither the teenager nor the adult had any interest in sex with each other, but were engaging in it so that the teenager learned how it worked or felt in practice, what is the objection?
Also we've had people here argue that most child molesters aren't pedos, I'm not sure I buy the argument, but if it's true, wouldn't the majority of child molestation be non-predatory in your book?
I don't see why they'd be non-predatory. A hunter might not care about the animals he kills and might even despise the meat they produce, I'd still say it's valid to call him a predator.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
Sure. What is fundamentally predatory about adult-child or adult-teenager sex which couldn't be negated if neither party is sexually interested in the other?
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
Why can't there be a teacher, acting in good faith, showing a child/teenager how to use a condom or what a birth control pill looks like? Maybe even outright demonstrating sex to show how this looks in practice.
Put another way, the suspicion on any adult talking sex to a child seems like a practical line drawn to make the best of an imperfect reality. I think if we had a surefire way of knowing a person's intent, we would absolutely not have a problem with some people getting to depict graphic sex to children on the basis of teaching them what it's actually like.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
You're missing the point, which is: why? If "sex is just like tennis" what exactly is the issue? If I accuse you of liking to play tennis with children, even if you don't, are you going to get outraged, and ask me how dare I make the insinuation?
This is a bad-faith gotcha.
To use the tennis analogy, you would probably find something at the very least off if Serena Williams casually challenged a middle-school aged boy who was curious about tennis but had no real awareness of it beyond theoreticals of how to play, then proceeded to destroy him because she's that much more experienced. Something about that would strike most people as fundamentally different and possibly bullying, since the absolute destruction he faces might turn him off from the idea altogether and leave him upset. But if the same boy played someone only slightly more experienced, that would not necessarily come off as problematic.
Likewise, sex between children amongst themselves might not be a pro-social thing, but it's not wrong because it's unlikely either is that much more cognizant of what they are doing than the other. Ditto on predation, both are probably just fumbling and curious without any intent to exploit the other.
drmanhattan16
11mo ago
Circles in his circle!?!?! This is some advanced circling, top-tier MIT stuff.
As I said elsewhere, the existence of bad actors shouldn't be a justification to avoid responding.
That's not what I asked for. I explicitly said "student", not "acceptee". The reason I was specific here is that I'm aware of this case, but I don't see why it compares. I don't see a reason why the body of students should necessarily be held to exactly the same standard as the body of those who would be joining the school eventually. Maybe there's a good argument for it, but I'm not aware of one.
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