do_something
4mo ago
Activity does seem to be declining
evaporative cooling?
do_something
4mo ago
For me it makes precious little difference whether Nazis caused millions of deaths according to some masterplan or through massive cruelty/incompetence/disregard. At minimum, they had no problem with causing millions of deaths in their war started together with their ally USSR.
See also Mao, killing millions through combination of badly broken leadership model and massive incompetence. It is not much better or worse than doing it as a deliberate plan, at most it has some different aesthetic. I guess that makes Mao largest and lamest loser ever and Hitler more demonic figure, but it is only aesthetics of not so great import, both caused terrible evil.
do_something
4mo ago
Why you are even trying? ok-target-7361 posting will get you banned very soon anyway.
do_something
4mo ago
Anyway blocking doesn't really signal, since the user never knows you've blocked them
motte interface prominently shows that someone blocked you, on every single of their posts
do_something
4mo ago
I blocked single person here who posts a lot and blocked a lot of people including me.
I am considering blocking our resident SS-man nazi apologist but he is kind of interesting and fascinating, in the same way as Pakistan International Airlines flight 8303 was interesting.
do_something
4mo ago
Meanwhile they remain largely unsuitable for the sorts of tasks people actually want a notional AGI to automate, namely anything requiring both a high cognitive-load and precision on a short time horizon.
not surprising as none of them are generally smarter than humans, therefore not AGI as typically defined
do_something
4mo ago
Isn't the general rule that open-source is behind closed-source?
kind of? For public projects closed-source offering that is behind open-source either dies or needs to find way to get ahead
but internal software in many companies has truly horrifying garbage, behind anything else
but it's an open-source project, I don't know why you'd go to the effort of lying
To get attention / funding / job offers / patches. In addition to regular cherry picking and self-deception that can give the same results.
Open source is not foolproof way to prevent that.
do_something
4mo ago
it essentially lumps together multiple aspects of Nazi policy that are objectively not closely related, I think
Even assuming that this claim is 100% true, I am quite confused how it changes things substantially.
do_something
4mo ago
I do not give a fuck what nazis wrote in their pamphlets given they managed to conquer Poland and did what they did.
do_something
4mo ago
None, as I have that in Poland or I can skip that (stress-reducing work is not needed, without not necessary stress is good enough).
(OK, first not fully - but it would require magic to have that and I prefer to avoid running untested magic on my children)
do_something
4mo ago
I never claimed either of those.
well, it was reply to person who claimed this
the real problem the Germans had was with Bolshevism, which they regarded as Jewish.
This is a blatant and clear lie. And you are lying.
If that would be true they they would not cooperate so deeply with USSR. And would cooperate with anti-bolshevik group rather than oppress them.
They had real problem with many other things. They rampaged through Poland and murdered and oppressed so widely that it was counterproductive to what they tried to achieve.
Their behaviour in occupied Poland was unusually bad, no matter how you compare it. Even after excluding what they did to Jewish Poles.
Schooling of Polish children was curtailed to a few years of elementary education, as outlined by Himmler's May 1940 memorandum: "The sole goal of this schooling is to teach them simple arithmetic, nothing above the number 500; writing one's name; and the doctrine that it is divine law to obey the Germans. ... I do not think that reading is desirable"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%80%931945)
During the following weeks Polish schools beyond middle vocational levels were closed, as were theaters and many other cultural institutions. The only Polish-language newspaper published in occupied Poland was also closed, and the arrests of Polish intellectuals began.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_culture_during_World_War_II
Including endless executions, rape and murder and destruction would be easy here.
WWII mythos
It may come to shock to you but culture exists outside USA. WW II left quite deep wounds in Poland (not surprising with 16% of population murdered, decades of occupation and permanent loss of large part of country area and many other effects).
That would be a highly inconvenient fact, so you make shit up about the Germans having secret plans to exterminate the Slavs and people
Well, you can drop secret here. Invading country, banning any higher education, claiming that any smart Pole who ever lived was German, starting shooting people for flimsy reason or no reason, stealing anything not nailed down and imposing starvation rations etc were hardly secret. And even if you believe your claims that death camps have not existed and apparently Jews teleported to USSR - all other things are enough to present German occupation as being one of extreme subjugation based on their racial/ethical/howeryouclassify theories.
Joseph Goebbels and Hans Frank and Adolf Hitler were not exactly subtle.
the fact that the Germans fielded the largest foreign volunteer army in history composed of Slavs also animated against Bolshevism. That would be a highly inconvenient fact, so you make shit up about the Germans having secret plans to exterminate the Slavs and people
Maybe some people have problems with considering both USSR and Third Reich as monstrously evil as they assume that at least one main player must be good but I assure you that I have no such problem. And I am not going to make claims that there is no comparison to their evil - to not look far, Mao and Pol Pot and plenty of ancient empires handily compete. If you exclude what they did to Jews they were still clearly anti-polish. And "UK and USA did war crimes" is not breaking my brain. "Poles did war crimes and evil oppression" also is not breaking my brain either. And neither changes than in Poland Germany and USSR did far more evil than either of that.
But claiming that "the real problem the Germans had was with Bolshevism, which they regarded as Jewish." is a blatant lie and trying to whitewash German nazi empire. And I am quite happy that your side lost WW II, pity that USSR could not also lose but even USSR was a bit better than Third Reich Germany.
do_something
4mo ago
is fictional, like other allegations here of a "Hunger Plan"
I wonder which claim you claim to be fictional.
or plans for mass extermination of Slavs because of German racial theory
Maybe it was not German racial theory but regular German imperialism, but mass extermination and oppression was already running during war.
do_something
4mo ago
not only there (or in fiction broadly defined) - glorious victory is always more glorious if enemy was strong and you can explain more excesses if enemy is stronger
do_something
4mo ago
Though with extremely rare exceptions it was "this ethnicity/religion/nationality/etc is subhuman", not "All Slavs are subhuman".
do_something
4mo ago
The Germans wanting to exterminate everyone who isn't German trope simply isn't true either.
Well, they wanted to also enslave Slavs that were not planned to be exterminated. And assimilate some of them (Volksdeutsche, Goralvolk etc).
And they were not planning to expand German empire worldwide, they had no plans to invade and conquer say Japan AFAIK. They were not so delusional to plan extermination of USA population on grounds of not being German.
Not that it would make things for Poles/Ukrainians/Russians/etc better if Germans would win WW II.
The Germans weren't uniquely evil or brutal.
Large part of that is more-or-less hidden dual standards. Like with Russia right now large part of anger stems "but in Europe you are not allowed to do that".
(insert that 4chan post about toilet and kitchen here)
Also, there was vision that after WW I we learned better and we will have peace in Europe. France dropping bombs on Lisbon in September 2024 and killing 200 people would not be uniquely evil or brutal either. But I expect that outcry would be massive and far larger than what is triggered by far worse things in Africa. Mostly due to higher expectations.
do_something
4mo ago
If you are not a programmer then ChatGPT will not turn you into one.
It is useful for a programmers if they are stuck or write in some silly setup where you need tons of boilerplate.
do_something
4mo ago
Is there any merit?
None whatsoever. They are lying or obfuscating things as usual. Third Reich was busy murdering, colonizing and fucking things up. And if they claim that it affected only Jews, then they are lying liars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:No_entrance_for_poles1.jpeg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nur_fur_deutsche.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Poland_(1939%E2%80%931945)#Germanization (see also other section)
(and yes, higher quality materials exist)
whether he lives in his native country
Has he missed that Germany invaded together with Russia and split Poland between them?
Or maybe the claim here is that "in native country" is not applying and therefore murdering them is fine.
To be more specific: if someone was eager collaborator then they could get "Volksdeutsche" classification. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksdeutsche#'Volksdeutsche'_in_German-occupied_western_Poland
What quite obviously proves that others were, in fact, considered as worse. (and given that it was Nazi Germany: worse were supposed to be exterminated or at least enslaved)
do_something
4mo ago
How that changes anything in terms of "has Germany was anti-slav during nazi times?"
do_something
4mo ago
It looks pretty certain at this point that they won’t be conscripted
why you think so?
do_something
4mo ago
Oh, NCD is 50% lizardmen by volume. Sadly, they got stupider and less interesting as NCD got popular.
Just that "I love Putin" confusion is really rare there and basically extinct, even in ironic or satire form - and below lizardman levels.
do_something
4mo ago
Also, note that following are quite prone to costs ballooning:
- cutting edge products
- government contracts (often large cause are practices forced by government intended to prevent costs ballooning)
- small scale production
- extremely specialized
- tailored/customized
Things like modern jets are triggering all of these, and often few more.
Lockmart is viewed as negative here, positive on NCD.
I bet that large part of that is caused by people supporting Russia (or hating on USA) being present here in at least some number, and being below Lizardman constant on NCD.
This is why we shouldn't have antagonized him.
Why you think it would work? With Russia what works well is exact opposite, note how Turkey reacted to Russia violating its air space (they shot down offending jet).
This was avoidable! If our statesmen had a little tact, if they knew how to spell diplomacy, if they had a basic understanding of strategy, we could've brought Russian neutrality, not pushed them into China's arms. We could've done nothing and won.
Not sure about specifics, but "just give Ukraine to Russia" would not really improve things here.
Only H-bombs matter because Poland and co already have conventional superiority.
Because foreign guarantees worked so well in 1939. Poland is preparing to scenario where NATO if fucked up by Trump or in other similar scenario.
Aren't you the one shouting that these disgusting subhuman orcs are so grossly incompetent?
I have not really seen it in comment you are replying to and it does not match reality anyway.
They don't think Poles are a fraternal people like Ukraine, they'd take the gloves off.
See above, army beyond nuclear weapons are still useful in case where Russia is aggressive and evil but not genocidal, and on the low end where escalation to nuclear weapons is absurd (see invasion of Crimea).
What is so hard to understand about my point?
Which one? That anyone buying weapons other than nuclear devices has gotten manipulated by Lockheed Martin? I think this one is quite absurd claim, notably in Ukraine almost any weapon except nuclear weapons and biological weapons, ICBMs and ASAT got used at this point. (though Russia got significant value from having nuclear weapons)
(OK, I am excluding chariots and other weapons not deployed by any military - though things like armoured trains were at least deployed)
do_something
4mo ago
because they used procedural tricks to obtain a default judgement against him
From my understanding Alex and his lawyer also worked hard on beating Alex with procedural tricks. If everyone involved is against you then you will end "I guess we are taking anything not protected by bankruptcy laws". And AFAIK they are fairly generous in this case, he is not going to be evicted and starving.
Original post was about claim that Nazis were not anti-Slav. Which seem clearly false to me and does not require fully-deliberate extermination master plan to falsify.
very poor form
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