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it treats Ukraine as just some pawn instead of an independent country

Well, you know, that doesn't bother me. I don't believe in countries (states). Literally, I don't believe that they exist. They're fictions, like corporations. Really it's a sort of theological idea.

I do believe in nations and to be charitable I can sub that word in. But in that case, from a secular perspective, it's not clear to me why one nation has a right to a piece of land and another doesn't. Where would such a right come from, if not the test of societal virtue that is war? And how sure are we that the ruling class of a nation actually represents that nation, rather than having parasitized it?

It's so demeaning to the Ukrainian people who are fighting for the independence of their country.

If they don't want to fight they can stop. Or, if the people want to stop but can't -- as is evidenced by their enslavement and sacrifice by the men calling themselves their leaders -- we should ask if perhaps that's the real problem!

Ukrainians are the ones who will determine how far they are willing to go to protect their homeland and their people.

It's not clear to me that the ruling society of Russia intends to harm either the land or the people. Actually I think it would be happiest keeping both wholly preserved (but under its own control).

Seems to me that what's going on here is that the land and peoples (the people living there are hardly homogeneous) exist and two competing ruling classes are vying for control over them. One is willing to enslave them and spend their lives to stay in power. The other is basically willing to do the same. It's not clear why either of those is 'right'.

I just don't know where everyone seems to be getting their sense of clear-cut moral stances from.

There's another level, which is that actually the thing I just said is the bailey and the real motte is spending money for the sake of it (for those who become enriched).

Man I am getting severely Baader-Meinhof'd about Rumble today. Swear I've never heard of it until last night, and four references since then.

Almost like some kind of motte and bailey?

It's a cynical use of Ukraine to allow us to hurt Russia without declaring war. The well-being of Ukraine was never per se pertinent.

Well if there's any point in putting it in toothpaste, it must be to increase the concentration way above that which is naturally-occuring. So I repeat the question.

hydroxyapatite toothpaste is a perfectly acceptable substitute

Is it comparably well-studied? Devil you know and all that

It's definitely serious and I'm here for it. He's right about everything.

Maybe give them cool hats to wear as symbols of their office, while we're at it. But unironically I think it's a better plan than what we're doing now.

Yeah, supposing they're registered. Which many aren't, and don't have time to be.

Since the fall of Satan, surely?

Our systems were developed for free Englishmen. The demographics are rather different now.

Then there was the Muslim ban.

It wasn't a Muslim ban.

He brought up quite a bit independently, including specific details, which were mostly affirmed by Joe.

I get the impression that you want to see Trump as having bullshitted his way through.

The lowest birth rates are found in very homogeneous countries such as South Korea and Japan. In spite of all its diversity, the US white (non-hispanic) birth rate is still greater than that of comparatively homogeneous countries like (much richer) Norway or (barely) (much poorer) Hungary. What gives?

Multiple factors?

Well, thank you for the thoughtful reply. We disagree on many things but inasmuch as I wasn't asking to argue with you about it, I won't.

See I'd take it farther and suggest that progressivism -- the flattening of all hierarchies -- is literally just Satanism dressed up in nice intentions. This is also why pride is such a key component. Pride being the sin of Satan, who decided that he could do just as well as his own God rather than submitting to God himself who dares say that actually some things are better and higher than others, and that rightness, beauty, goodness, happiness etc. are found embracing one's role and proper place.

In my church we teach that demons have no hierarchy because hierarchy is orderly and points to God. With this in mind the connections are obvious. And yes, the desire to replace God with the state is paramount, even when the state is transparently prone to possession by evil powers and principalities.

But I'm interested in the response of the person I asked.

the point of progressivism is progress, which means moving forward, not just moving in some direction and then declaring the direction as forward.

You seem like as good a person to ask as any, and I've been wanting to for a long time: What is the pole star here? What is the point upon which principles should converge? I have my opinions as an outsider, but I'd love to know how the matter occurs to you.

Presumably there should be some consistency in the notion of 'forward'. What is the end goal which, if moved toward, tells you that the motion is progressive rather than lateral or regressive?

Yeah, I'm operating on no sleep atm and think I was stating that for myself as much as anyone else.

Obligatory observation that this wouldn't imply causation.

Who decides what counts as abuse?

I legit just found it there and if you care to you'll see that the timestamps work out.

Hadn't heard of the incident until now but per the wikipedia page it looks like a good shoot.

Although,

Members of his family said that he would not have been shot dead if he were not black. Kaba's cousin said: "I've put it out there he wasn't perfect… but regardless of that nobody deserves to be killed by the police unless there is an imminent or direct threat to the public. He dindu nuffin."[13]

My emphasis. So I followed the cite and sure enough this quote doesn't appear on the page at all, let alone the bolded part. Wonder how long that'll stand.

Very confusing after my phone goes to grayscale in the evening.

Caffeine is a problem for me due to what is apparently wacky physiology on my part but a variety of green tea called kukicha solves that problem. It's made from the stems, rather than the leaves of the plant. Very much green tea without the caffeine.