Tanista
3mo ago
I can buy that blue tribe is driven by an ideologically motivated positive outgroup bias.
But it isn't just blue tribe or it would have ended when they lost elections. What about the Tories? What about the business owners?
Tanista
3mo ago
The positives have to be weighed against the negatives. Maybe certain classes of immigrants are net-negative and a better immigration policy would be able to discriminate against these people but I don't think the UK is at the point where all immigration is net-negative.
Do you see this "better" immigration policy on the horizon anywhere in Europe? Is anyone calling for cutting out sub-Saharan Africans or MENA migrants specifically while maintaining your hypothetical improved immigration system?
If not, why not?
Tanista
3mo ago
Same reason people hated on Twilight and most boy bands and hell, things like Transformers for that matter.
Some people just like to hate on the popular thing and some tend to find enthusiastic teenage girl squeeing particularly annoying.
Tanista
3mo ago
The other argument is around caregivers for the NHS and the aging population. Which doesn't have to map well to prosperity.
But I'm not sure just how many of the migrants are selected for that specifically.
Tanista
3mo ago
Yes, but there was appropriate ass-covering.
Musk is significantly more defiant.
Even if Islamic states are eventually established in Europe, they will still allow LGBTQ for non-Muslims so long as they pay the Jizya.
I love how people are blackpilling and still believe something like this.
Christians at least have the People of the Book thing going for them. Religious Muslims think the gays are degenerates. Even worse than degenerates: contagious degenerates. Hypocritical, contagious degenerates. The same people who yell about freedom and letting a thousand flowers bloom immediately went to trying to enforce their doctrine on people's kids, including yelling and abusing them for not buying in.. This is not 7th century Islam; it's been shaped by ressentiment at how it feels the West treats it.
They tolerate it because they have to. If the time ever comes when they don't have to, all of this shit is going. And it almost certainly won't go quietly so prepare for mutually radicalizing strife.
Tanista
3mo ago
The muslims enjoy a remarkable protected status for now because they are losers who continue exploiting the meta.
If it's stupid and it works it's not stupid.
but we are told to believe that the general population would find it unacceptable to hawk your wares on a site that occasionally has a user say 'nigger'.
Wasn't there a huge scandal because Janet Jackson's tit was out on TV? It doesn't matter if most people found it funny or harmless. Enough went the other way that it has its own wikipedia page.
I think all that happened is that the internet became TV. For a lot of us, it was an irreverent place and you just dealt with nerds twisting any public poll to reference Hitler or rampant misogyny (playful or not). But things moved from self-contained forums to much larger social media sites that functioned more like broadcast TV. A lot of normies would be fine living by early video game chat rules too. But for enough people Nazi jokes are right out. So it became safe and companies became risk averse.
The media absolutely does exploit this to try to cause things like an advertiser exodus from Twitter , but it seems almost inevitable.
It was never democratic. There's always been resistance to "wokeness" and immigration and so on. When I showed up Canada was still (at least visibly) in an incredibly smug, happy place about multiculturalism and even back then there was resistance to migration. When people learned how many people Canada was taking in under Harper they wanted it to take smaller numbers. No one cared is all.
The female "wokescolds" didn't win because they were hot. They won because you'd get fired if you went too far and the culture-makers listened to them. Anita Sarkeesian was hot and faced significant backlash before she won. Why? Because anonymous nerds online can be brave. But she won where it counted, in the real world, and now companies pay danegeld to avoid being considered sexist.
The elites just won too hard and are now suffering from success.
Precisely because a lot of their power isn't democratic, they were able to radicalize further and further (which may cause more of the performative ugliness). This led to an elite religion that is not only highly divergent from what many proles, brown or white, want, but actively hostile to us. This has simply gotten worse as time has gone on, and so more and more proles are being turned off.
But they're getting more turned off because elites are successfully enforcing this across many fields. More migrants are coming in now, the state is passing laws that let it undermine the family more in the name of LGBT rights and there's a corresponding push to control social media to prevent any counter-narrative.
Tanista
3mo ago
Probably not. Elon Musk is essentially powerless and the regime will get him someday, probably soon.
How is Twitter's debt situation looking? That might get him first.
Tanista
3mo ago
Yeah. There's no point in overthinking this. Democrats (and plenty of Republicans) feel bullied by Trump, who has said awful things (DEI Candidate, Willie Brown, not really black) just this cycle. Absurd to say that his attacks don't hurt reputations.
They feel delivered by Biden leaving and are engaging in some exuberant bullying themselves. Which is just one part of literally throwing everything at the wall and seeing what sticks.
Not sure how to react to the revelation that you DON'T necessarily need the 1 year plus leadup to the election in order to build public support for your candidate.
You would, if "not Trump" wasn't enough to carry a boatload of people.
Trump is a weak candidate, helped once again by an even weaker Democrat. Now that Biden stepped away the problems inherent in that are rearing their head again
Even though they have much of the media's help, they still have been doing a great job of avoiding making any mistakes.
People make mistakes when the spotlight is on them. Kamala parachuted into the race near the end and the media is disinclined to question her. Has she done a single adversarial interview?
Trump going to the NABJ may have been a mistake (especially after Biden dropped out). But it's a mistake because he had to go somewhere and be accountable to someone.
The media leans Democratic, but that did not stop Trump from getting elected in 2016 and then only narrowly losing in 2020 (and that only after the pandemic).
The media leans strongly Democratic and they had endless struggle sessions about their role in electing Trump and vowed to never let it happen again.
So I think that Trump campaign strategists who are getting paid millions of dollars should not get to use the Democrats' media domination as an excuse for not doing a better job of marketing Trump's campaign.
Sure, but that's because they took the money knowing the landscape. Doesn't mean the landscape isn't skewed or that skew isn't problematic.
Tanista
3mo ago
Getting the media to put its ass on the scale to help you is part of what it means to have an expertly-run campaign.
Let's not be ridiculous. She was immediately benefiting from media hagiography right after her President - whose acuity she herself defended - was drummed out of the race for being unable to do the job.
The fact that it instantly went into K-Fever instead of serious questions about Biden's fitness and what Kamala knew about it had more to do with media partisans finally being glad they could go back to business as usual without Biden dragging them down and making their usual work look silly.
I ran into the number once and it actually is a bit uncanny how the disproportion almost matches a certain racist hatestat about the US murder rate. I can see why people wouldn't want to bring it up. An absurdity but there you go.
But this was clearly not a "normal" stabbing, nor some sort of casualty of spillover gang violence like a drive-by.
Don't you find it strange that neither the IOC nor either of the accused athletes have chosen to disclose any details on their medical condition?
IIRC they also either didn't appeal or withdrew their appeals after the original IBA ruling. Possibly because going further would have made the matter clear, as with Caster Semenya.
Two, a lot of the core population of the west has their well of sympathy completely exhausted. I don't care about the oppressed Arab woman rising above the odds anymore. Trans genocide? Bring it on, and if some unfortunate intersex get caught in the crossfire that's the cost of doing business.
I'll go a bit further. At a certain point, it feels emasculating to have to give all of the caveats about how obviously it's a complicated issue and everyone deserves dignity and so on while your enemies just call you a bigot when they're strong and then putter around pettifogging about hormone classes and doing it by weight when they're weak.
People don't trust the media to be honest about certain things, so they jump to what seems like the likeliest reason the media would lie. "Random stabbings of people who couldn't possibly be involved in gang beef was probably done by a Muslim" isn't a bad bet, neither is "person who looks like a man and is accused of being one is trans" (though this one is arguably less excusable because there was information available ahead of time. I think lots of TRA arguments have made it hard, as intended, for normies to separate out intersex and trans)
Not to get all Hananian about it but riots and randos on Twitter are basically uncontrollable phenomena driven by impulsivity anyway, can't expect much strategy in general.
The Muslim cohorts in Britain right now are made up in large parts of the descendants of illiterate rural farmers. This is all due to poor selection policies of the UK in the past. I don't think they consume more in services than contribute any more than you'd expect of the descendants of illiterate rural farmers to do when placed in a welfare state.
Back home "my people" rule over them with an iron fist and keep these kinds in line, which is something the UK doesn't do
So, instead of just the locals disappointing the decision-makers, the elites that decided to take such people and make them the elect are the disappointments?
So what's the point of the whole rant?
Yeah, people immediately assumed when details weren't forthcoming that it was Muslims and that this fact would be slow-rolled again by the media class.
The headline pointing out that he was a choirboy was more about absolving the Muslim community than the criminal imo but it came too late.
Tanista
3mo ago
Let's grant that something odd was going on. Would you agree that, as the ancient saying goes, most people don't know shit about boxing?
The goal wouldn't be to convince someone like you.
She'd be much better off refusing to compete in principle
What's this based on? From a purely cynical perspective "woman crying after being beaten on by alleged man" is much better at pulling for heartstrings than "woman doesn't to compete". There'd be none of the photos or videos being shared now, none of the same level of outrage.
We can abandon the category. I'm just skeptical that one particular cultural preference -"liking diversity" - can explain everyone moving in one direction on this.
Even if we say there is no real "red tribe" surely some elites just don't give a fuck? If it was just ideological you'd also expect people like Johnson to exploit the anti-immigration sentiments of the populace to great acclaim and glory. Yet they start that way and either don't do anything or make it worse.
Especially since they can get more than enough people for their class while cutting down on the huge numbers.
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