To be more precise, I think that 10 000 000$ is enough to offset damage caused and a bit higher than that but not enough to be absurd (I would definitely not take deal to get such harassment and 1 000 000$)
Why $10M is reasonable? I mean, spreading vile lies is without doubt despicable
I would not wish to be put through such thing (extreme lies about me and my dead children by someone influential enough to result in idiots and insane people harassing me).
Though I consider being willing to survive through years of that in exchange of massive amount of money such as 10 000 000 $ dollars.
Therefore it seems to me enough to offset damage caused.
And yes, I am not including murders itself in that.
Note also in general I think that transfer of funds to victim should be done more often. You hit someone with a car? That is not your car anymore but goes to a victim. It was not your car or some cheap wreck? 10% of income goes to victim unless huge amount of funds is paid, enough to offset damage you did. You robbed someone? 1000% of what you stole goes to the victims. (note: maybe this is done already in USA). You run automated call spam? Each victim is entitled to 500$. Wage theft? Worker is entitled to 10 times of what they were illegally not paid. Running fraud? You must give back 10 times what you stolen, etc etc.
(if I would be in power to legislate something - then maybe I would end with lower multipliers, but someone losing entire wealth after running large scale fraud seem much more reasonable than going to prison for few months and keeping stolen funds - again, maybe it is problem of local justice system)
I do not understand why it is reasonable that a person who was a victim of a lie (admittedly, a very vile and disgusting one, but still one lie), should instantly become top 1% rich just because of it?
"emotional damages" is overused but reasonable in this case. Being victim of top 0.05%* of harassment seems a good reason to get eye-watering amounts of money from chief harasser. In older times other solutions would be used, but this modern one seems preferable.
*1 in 5 000 harassment seems reasonable estimate to me in this case, as in "there are about 168 000 more harassed people in USA and 335 000 000 less harassed ones" but have not explored this one deeply and maybe I was mislead by what reached me.
Smok
1yr ago
Have he also taken down his lies and made clear to his followers that he was lying for fame/gain/whatever?
What caused this?
Smok
1yr ago
but if it is, wouldn't removing the content from the internet and issuing a retraction be enough
At the very minimum he should also apologise for blatantly lying and inventing conspiracy theories about their dead children and refund costs caused by his lying.
And also some reasonable compensation (maybe about 10 000 000 $ per slandered person?).
Smok
1yr ago
"Finance tech bro guy gets money from investors and turns it into imaginary (?) fake(?) digital internet money and then spends the real money which he argues he was allowed to do but actually there were two different companies involved and etc. etc.**" is a lot harder to understand and thus harder to get outraged about.
it can be (accurately) summarized to "weird rich guy on drugs stole more money that you can imagine and lost almost all of that"
Smok
1yr ago
Nuclear weapons are better for all defensive scenarios.
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but harder to obtain
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Not for all. You will not use nukes over minor incursion.
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I am not claiming that having decent conventional army is preferable to having nukes.
As we started from Poland: I am pretty sure that what was done to obtain this weapons would be glaringly insufficient to obtain nukes and enough ICBM/submarines/silos to act as counter to Russian invasion.
And conventional army would still be needed anyway.
Smok
1yr ago
Unless the aggregate poor can sell something to the aggregate not-poor
Status goods. "hand made" is already used this way.
One obvious thing (though far from an utopian answer): prostitution. (and if people missed this, then then they missed also other things)
Smok
1yr ago
If Poland is skeptical that their allies will defend them from Russia, why should they hope that Russia will refrain from nuking them? What good are tanks when one faces complete destruction?
See war in Ukraine.
Or in Vietnam. Or Afghanistan (both USA and USSR editions). Or other wars where nuclear power lost without using nukes.
Smok
1yr ago
The only thing that can protect Poland from Russia is nuclear weapons. If Poland is worried about having to fight Russia alone (in some nightmare scenario where NATO has disintegrated), they need nuclear weapons.
As Ukraine is proving right now - having decent conventional army is also useful. USSR lost in Afghanistan, Russia lost the First Chechen War, USA lost multiple wars against enemies without nuclear weapons.
then Russia loses the conventional war and starts a nuclear war
Second is not guaranteed and escalates it into global conflict.
In the nightmare scenario where NATO is gone and it's every state for themselves, the Poles get turned into a Russian satellite regardless of what conventional forces they have. What good are tanks if the enemy can raze your cities in minutes?
There is also intermediate position with Poland in situation where Ukraine is right now.
Smok
1yr ago
USSR official justification was flimsy because it was outright lie and fakery, exposed by clear and ongoing cooperation wither Third Reich.
What is the point of scrambling to buy hundreds of modern MBTs and creating a logistical nightmare? They're under a nuclear umbrella and their treaty allies have a military budget 10-20x larger than the only vaguely threatening force in the region? The only area Russia has parity is nuclear weapons, indeed they have superiority in that they have 2000 tactical nukes, much more than NATO. So what good is this large conventional force?
Are you aware how well relying on alliances went for Poland during WW II?
Also, have you seen how Germany is spending its 100 billion?
And why you call Russia "vaguely threatening force"? Ongoing invasion is far from vague. And far from being definite victory, Ukraine can still collapse.
Imagine that the Russians had quickly won the war in Ukraine. Does it follow that they would invade Poland, who is in NATO and protected by nuclear powers?
It seems a real risk for me. In fact my reaction to full scale invasion on 24th February was to start drafting emigration plans as I was worried that Russian army will not stop on Poland-Ukraine border. Fortunately war went in unexpected way.
If there is a war between NATO and Russia, Russia would quickly start to lose
What if there would war between Poland and Russia?
I suppose the Poles have been burnt by trusting their allies before.
yep
And Trump actually had a point about other NATO countries not pulling their weight.
I suppose it could help out the Ukrainians. But how does assisting Ukraine improve Polish security?
Makes need for updating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_armed_conflicts_involving_Poland_against_Russia less likely.
So what good are the tanks and the large conventional force Poland is making?
Intervening in Estonia in case Russia gets uppity and still does not get that they are not entitled to empire in Central/Eastern Europe?
Protect against whatever is happening in 15 years? How many people predicted in 2007 that in 15 years we will have full scale war in Europe, with 100 000+ dead and numbers increasing? With Russia losing 1500 tanks? And getting distinction of being the first nuclear power having its strategic bomber base in own territory being hit by missiles (that their own former empire produced...)? Getting its flagship sunk?
And with Ukraine adding own losses, with just independently confirmed losses being large enough to equip all land armies of Western Europe and have leftovers?
On political side: who in 2007 would predict that Poland will give Ukraine 230+ tanks because they are being invaded by Russia?
How many predicted that Russian leadership will believe own propaganda and it will run WW II parody combined with Gulf War parody at cost of billions, 100 000+ dead people, massive human misery and other costs?
This war reminded that having an actual army is really useful also in XXI century, also for European countries.
Not entirely sure what will be happening and 2037 but at this point I am not willing to base defence on "war is not going to happen because we are in Europe and NATO". NATO has some chance to be de facto not existing in 2037.
However, I think that the armies of Poland and Europe generally are just opportunistically expanding themselves now that they've got a decent-sounding excuse.
Well, if Polish army would not manage to use THAT to expand/modernize then it would demonstrate absurd incompetence cough German procurement cough.
Note also that photographing yourself with pile of tanks will work nicely in upcoming elections. Especially given that weakest area of opposition was its handling of Russia-related international relations, also proposed handling of Belarusian border crisis.
So focusing topic on "we are importing bajillion tanks" is done in part (probably quite small one) to look well during upcoming elections.
So maybe scale is overly large, maybe opportunity costs is high but I do not think it is so clear case of waste/bad decision.
Smok
1yr ago
mobilization
Note that it is mobilization for training, not for war. This people are not getting send to Ukraine or something.
Smok
1yr ago
were calling him a psycho jewloving cuck race-traitor in all his replies back in... 2015(?), because of the whole mental breakdown and adopting foreign kids thing.
After that I would consider being extreme Zionist SJW and fund Mason lodge and reptilarium out of pure spite.
Smok
1yr ago
But why would a gay man be familiar with how Japanese straight porn sounds?
Because he read about it on internet? I know quite a lot about a lot of stuff that I never personally experienced or seen first hand, for start I never visited Venus. (not that visiting it would allow me to survive long enough to learn about it)
Smok
1yr ago
he is gone full blown sjw since adopting the kids
Huh, usually it is a bit other way. Was it coincidental or there is some reason to suspect causation?
Smok
1yr ago
Polish has no articles at all. But more importantly, as I understand, they do not exist in Russian language.
a/an/the is an irritating stuff for me.
Smok
1yr ago
I have read it and I must say that I put more effort into oversight of my folder with funny images.
Smok
1yr ago
It would seem like thinness is positively corelated with almost all metrics of success . Maybe IQ plays some role, in that thinner people are smarter, which could account for success at a wide variety of things
If that is true then I bet that it is in general correlated with willpower and ability to control yourself, maybe with ability to plan long-term.
Smok
1yr ago
Others claim Aella is trying her hardest to stir the pot for attention. That could have been a valid point, if what she posted had been the least bit controversial.
Aella is clearly doing it for attention - why that claim is not true? (not that it is relevant at all, and pointing it out by someone with Twitter account is ridiculous)
I think that many other people should get 10 000 000$ fines for malicious lies. For example Musk for his "Sorry pedo guy. You really did ask for it." tweet and that child bride allegations[1].
And no, I do not buy explanation that convinced jury that "pedo guy" is some standard mild and generic South African insult rather than allegation of raping children.
And people who pushed risky financial instruments while claiming that they are risk-free[2]. With fines waived for unaware low-level pushers in call centers and going into millions for higher-level managers, going into 50 000 000$+ territory at level of CEO. Also when CEO ignored malicious behaviour at lower levels as long as they were profitable rather that ordered it. With jail terms for CEOs that ordered such behaviour. And death penalty for companies while I am at this hobby horse.
[1] Assuming that they were false, I have not verified it deeply.
[2] I got some offer of them and they were deeply misleading and whoever prepared this lies was clueless patsy or evil. Either way this banks would be fined into nonexistence in a just world and if that actions were deliberate by management - they would be all in jail.
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