Pynewacket
1d ago
My only point is that no matter what immigration policy you choose, unless it is open borders you will have people trying to immigrate illegaly no matter how sane you consider the immigration system and you are just adjusting the proportions with the criteria.
A sane immigration system will prevent people from trying to enter illegally because it’s plausible that one can do so legally.
not everyone is going to be delusional enough to think they can immigrate as a single mother of four, with no skills or with an open warrant for their arrest.
Pynewacket
2d ago
If the choice is a 5-10 year wait or hop the fence, I don’t think you can act shocked when a lot of people jump the fence.
there are people that have no path to inmigrate legaly to the US, be that a 5-10 year wait list or 2 weeks, and that their only way forward is through fence hopping. Think gang members, non-skilled people, minors, etc. the only way to stop them is going to be enforcing the border one way or another.
Pynewacket
2d ago
I get the feeling that a lot of these people wanted to speak up more loudly sooner, but it was only once progressives were properly on the back foot that they felt empowered to do so.
that sounds like cowardice, that they were unwilling to breach the party line, up until the catastrophe befell them and everyone was scrambling, like a chicken with its head cut off, asking what happened. Personally I would look for the lefties that didn't care to be excommunicated from the party and searched for the truth. After all, what good is a yes man?.
Pynewacket
7d ago
I mean, maybe one can say that parts of the Secret Service seemed remarkably unconcerned should something happen to him under their "protection," but 'if someone should take him out for us, that would be good' ≠ 'we need to take this guy out'.
too many weird issues with the situation and handling of it, to be just a lone wolf attack without institutional backing.
Pynewacket
7d ago
But I personally would rather spend my day on my computer than outdoors on a pickup truck,...
...and I think the Republicans are equally braindead as the Democrats, just less trigger-happy about their stupid plans.
why I have more in common with the other blue-grey people than I do with the pure red people.
Sounds like you are more of an indoors type of person rather than outdoors, and has the scorn for the politicians that some of us remember from the last century before it became a team sport.
you are red tribe.
Pynewacket
14d ago
wouldn't it be necessary for the cops to have a court order to ransack your home? I would assume that includes potential charges.
"If you're more libertarian and completely disagree that the state and its agents should have some good faith wiggle room for mistakes or best practices that fine,..."
I just find it hard to consider the killing of pets without recourse from the owner as a mistake.
Pynewacket
16d ago
it apparently bit an officer when they were in the process of seizing it. The same as incarcerating someone for resisting arrest without any other charge raised.
Pynewacket
16d ago
"The Chinese man – a student at the University of Michigan – cast his ballot on Sunday and then reached out to local election officials later that day in an attempt to get the ballot back, according to a source familiar with the situation.
The man registered to vote at the polling place on Sunday, the source said. He used his university ID and other documents to demonstrate his residency in Ann Arbor while filling out a same-day voter registration forms, the source said."
He wasn't even caught, he practically turned himself in. Granted, he was in the US legally, but he is a non-citizen that voted and got away with it but by his conscience.
Pynewacket
17d ago
and not only with the voters, let's not forget that supposedly Bernie Sanders is an independent. In my opinion, the number of true independent voters in any given year is half or less of what we are told.
Pynewacket
1mo ago
socially optimal
how do you define it in this context?
Pynewacket
1mo ago
that's a wordy way of saying "no u" in view of expressions like "you are seal-clapping for" and "pretending you didn't just crib off of Dean" (didn't know facts had owners by the way).
poor argumentation and boo outgroup
if you can point the errors in what I have said in these responses it would be more useful than vague gesticulations.
Pynewacket
1mo ago
mhh, someone is angy now (sorry if it's babying you, but you are better than whatever pissy personality you are adopting here). The rural purge was due to ideology and almost everyone raking you over the coals is saying it: the sequel is due to ideology with varying degrees of conspiracy mixed in; you are one of the few ones here aserting that it is due to money with nothing to show for it. At least on this side of the argument we have a really prominent historic example.
merely kneejerk Grand Unified Theories of Wokeness.
I subscribe to the principal agent problem myself, thank you very much. And it perfectly explains everything it is happening right now with respect to wokeness, you will notice that private companies like valve suffer much less than public companies like Ubisoft or Blizzard.
Pynewacket
1mo ago
and they're consistent with wanting a peasant population that has kids who join the army and do actual work
if the chattering in X is anything to go by regarding the recruiting ads displayed on TV, it looks like your sentiment only applies in times of war or near the beginning of them. In which case it would be assisted suicide by enemy action at best.
And it makes sense, why would they need red tribers any other time when they have illegals willing to do the job for much less.
Pynewacket
1mo ago
Hollywood is very woke. They like to make woke movies. They also like to make money. I submit they like to make money more than they like being woke (at least the really important people, the people who make money decisions, do).
If that were true there wouldn't have been a rural purge of television programs in the 70's. In view of this, I don't think you can or know how to model the mindset of the "really important people, the people who make money decisions" and I posit that it's in your best interest to update your priors to the more reasonable takes expressed in the thread.
Pynewacket
1mo ago
it's principal agent problem all the way to the top. The mistake often done in these kinds of discussions is assuming that the news reporter or the editor and journalist in the news room cares about the bottom line of the corporation. The only ones that do are the CEO and the bean counters in the finance room; everyone else cares about other things (ideology) as it isn't their job to make sure their business is profitable enough to make payroll.
Pynewacket
1mo ago
but then I don't really pay much attention to her. I fully admit I am voting for generic Democrat and against Trump, not out of any like for her as a candidate.
would you say that "vote blue no matter who" is applicable to you?
Pynewacket
2mo ago
I completely reworked my model of what people get out of “wage slavery” and realized that many, many people will trade 20%+ of their earning potential for stability and security.
were these people alone or with families?, I would assume family men would be reticent to trade stability for a few more bucks.
Pynewacket
2mo ago
I think you overestimate how easy it is to rebut, and how many people will seek out or see that rebuttal at all in the first place or believe it if they see it.
yeah, sometimes I overestimate the average voter.
Pynewacket
2mo ago
well yeah, Haiti is known for voodoo and zombies, so a company owned by a Haitian being voodoo related and tangentially named after a toys store sort of fits into the joke. I thought the joke was pretty obvious :(
Pynewacket
2mo ago
Do you have any evidence of Trump endorsing 2025?.
As for the fine people, we have the recording of his remarks about it so I don't know what you are talking about.
that would be part of a deliberate strategy, not a mistake.
the strategy of giving your opponent easy rebuttals I suppose, but at that point your judgement on what constitutes a mistake and what is a Strategy is useless for normal conversation.
Pynewacket
2mo ago
one is Conspiracy Theory made by the left and the other is a proven lie that she parroted in the first what? 10-20 minutes of the debate where the ratings are the highest. Doesn't that sound like a mistake to you?
Pynewacket
2mo ago
they just need bodies buying and consuming shit to boost GDP, I'm doubtful they care about anything else while living inside their gated communities.
Pynewacket
2mo ago
Maybe the companies are owned by a Haitian or something
Voodoo R Us is hiring I heard
Pynewacket
2mo ago
Are they activist that go to environment rallies and protests?
to add to what SteveKirk already said that I agree 100% with, I would consider the poor smuck on twitter that was sounding the alarm about the poor messaging for men days before the election, for which he was dragged by his own side (can't remember his handle, but he had his 15 min of fame), as a more valuable signal than the Ezra Klein or Matthew Yglesias of the world.
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