BANNED USER: /comment/21314
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
White, right-wing, male.
User ID: 101
Banned by: @ZorbaTHut
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
You can do whatever you want, but unless you're putting the red hat on I don't care what you have to say. You're all the same people and the same staff with the same attitudes that were problems years ago, time isn't some magic panacea that'll make me forget what you've done.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
Adult: I would love to see the Prince of Nothing series brought to a live screen GoT style. I'd also take Conan the Barbarian, as pulp fiction, swords-and-sandals, and that old gritty action aesthetic are some of my favorite things.
Kids: I'd adapt the old Diadem teen fiction series into something like Sliders. Take our trio of world-hopping, magic-leaning teenagers and show them bouncing between new worlds and universes as they battle the forces of evil. Sliders was one of the best premises for episodic content ever, and it should reappear in some form. But I don't want to just bring back Sliders, so I'm sneaking it in as a new thing.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
Calling Ukraine a solid democracy post-Maidan (let alone post-banning political opposition) is a joke. I'll concede the US, flawed as it is, should still qualify as one -- but for the US I was really poking at the whole "sovereignty" bit.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
I mean, fine, if you want to imprison these people in institutions instead of proper prisons I don't care. So long as they're removed from the general population.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
Jews wield blacks, feminism, and progressivism as tools against White power as part of an age-old tribal enmity and self-preservation instinct. All efforts at empowering women, promoting minorities, and generally furthering any progressive goal is accurately understood as an act of hostility toward Whites.
I am not necessarily advocating this view. I am explaining for Roco.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
1619 is widely considered the start of serious African enslavement in North America, at Jamestown, though there was a slave presence beforehand. If I accept Whites have a responsibility to correct their mistakes, as @hydroacetylene asserts, then I must accept that first mistake being bringing blacks to the country to begin with.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
Blacks were steadily improving from the end of WWII until about 1975. It was the import of mostly white originated social experiments in replacing the traditional family structure with welfare and single motherhood that ruined it, so whites have a duty to fix what they've made.
I am comfortable accepting the notion of racial guilt and the need to address the mistakes of the past, provided we start at the early 1600s, not the 1970s.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
Why does it go out of the window? I don't see the path from Point A to Point B here. It doesn't matter if you were born with a gene that makes you stab babies, you still stab babies and we're going to imprison and/or execute you.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
I'm willing to concede that pro-Russian voices have taken over the Russian chans and ousted anti-Russian voices. I'm unwilling to concede that is accurately described as right-wing entryists subverting a leftist forum.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
We saw that, but only to a minimal extent.
"I concede this happened, but it's not a big deal."
Okay. Yes it was.
In any case it ended years ago, and it is not in force now, so you are free to make whatever arguments you like on the subject.
Yet it still happened, and only against a right-wing hobby horse.
This one I strongly disagree with. I spent quite a bit of time arguing with the poster in question, and even longer observing their methods. They got away with what they did because they were very, very good at their particular game.
"The norms are fine and not implicitly leftist because they enable traditional leftist methods of trolling" is not convincing me. Yes, Darwin managed to skirt by. He would not in an environment more to my liking.
I don't think I've actually seen this. As mentioned above, I've seen a lot of long-time Blues flame out or get banned, and it's not obvious to me that there's actually a disparity in bans between reds and blues.
If you add up all the bans, I'm confident you'll find more right-leaning than left-leaning names on it. For the obvious reason: incivility is a more typical right-coded transgression, and by far the most common reason for anyone to get banned.
I disagree that there's a requirement for "pathological" civility or gullibility here. I don't think there's a position you personally hold that can't be presented here to good effect. Yes it requires effort, and yes, there is some level of bias baked into the nature of the place, and yes, the norms can often be annoying. Lots of things are annoying; a big part of maturity is learning to accept that fact with equanimity, and not let it distract you from the business at hand.
I just the other day copped a warning for calling out a transparent bad-faith troll. Because calling people out is not something you're supposed to do here. That's a thoroughly bad status quo.
I also reject your definition of maturity.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
HR people do indeed show bias, but not due to HBD.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
Why?
Reality is that which does not go away when you stop believing in it. In that light, racial differences, racial in-group biases, and racial spoils are unambiguously real. I didn't make the game, but I'm willing to play by its rules.
“Catering to its lowest element,” as you put it, applies to welfare claimed by whites, to special-needs programs, to any infrastructure sullied by the huddled masses. Throwing out black people will not change that.
Time, money, status, and effort are all zero-sum. The more of anything we waste on blacks, the less we necessarily have for others.
Racial segregation is stupid and wasteful. If all you really care about is raising average intelligence, then you’d be better off advocating general selection coupled with race blindness. But then you wouldn’t get to draw a clean dividing line, and you wouldn’t get to cash in on the easy tribalism.
I don't care at all about average intelligence. If blacks were dumb but harmless I'd covet their multiplication.
This, of course, is assuming that intelligence is all we should care about! The founding principles of human success include the ability to extend charity to those less fortunate. You are careless to discard that skill, and foolish to do so on the basis of race.
I'm very charitable toward my people. I have no need to extend charity to outgroups.
I also object to the claim that hundreds of years of chattel slavery, followed by 100+ of abuse in a time of relatively limited mobility, counts as “digging themselves in” a hole. But I suppose that’s a moot point if you don’t actually care about culpability. As LBJ put it,
History is full of genocide, slavery, persecution. We threw the Chinamen in concentration camps after breaking their backs on the railroads. The western world has collectively tried to wipe the Jews out for centuries. Worse, even blacks in their own countries do poorly.
I reject your attempt to render agency the sole domain of the White race, as flattering as it is.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
You misunderstand me. I'm not an edgelord; I am not thrilling in violating norms and being scandalous. I am rejecting the validity of those norms entirely. They are illegitimate norms. They come from a platform that is fundamentally hostile to what I know to be good and just and right.
I don't want you or anyone else to gasp in horror or think I'm some tough guy, online or offline. I would be quite delighted if the things I said were rightly taken as what they are: absolutely nothing special, eminently reasonable, and sympathetic.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
Why do you care what SneerClub thinks? They can't get you Reddit banned anymore, Jiro. We're not on Reddit. It's time to let the fear go. Let the trauma heal.
I am not a troll. I am sincerely a racist, and I am and always have been comfortable admitting that. A black person can be great, but I genuinely hate black people -- their community is rife with crime, abuse, poverty, single motherhood, intellectual oblivion. It sincerely infuriates me to know how much time, money, and effort is wasted on trying to make blacks be something else, a repeated experiment that's been failing for longer than any of us have been alive in bringing the Promethean flame of civilization to something feral. And every time it fails, my people are blamed, even though we had literally nothing to do with it.
But I'm kind. I don't need vengeance. I will settle for my country putting the shovel down. It's time to stop digging the hole.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
If it meant that, the results would be all the Red Tribers getting banned and this place turning into a generic Blue forum.
Indeed. If it meant that, we'd see things like rule changes to make proggy blues more comfortable; maybe we'd even see topic bans to slow the reds down; we'd see notorious blue-aligned posters get away with nearly anything, consistently (it'd be quite a.. Darwinian environment); we'd see bans consistently hitting one side of the political divide harder than the other. We'd see moves to enshrine blue values like pathological civility and gullibility into the very DNA of the forum.
In other words, we'd be where we are.
Again, CWR seems as though it provides exactly what you want, yet you are posting here and not there. Why would this be the case, if this place did not provide something CWR lacks?
CWR's main issue is that it's on Reddit. I loathe Reddit. If they migrated to their own site, I'd be there.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
chan culture is a triumph of the internet, for the most part. If there was a culture war thread there where the great names of the old days were vomiting their latest hot takes, I'd read it gladly.
The only thing I want from a forum is to be connected to interesting voices. I don't need community, I don't need civility, I don't need moderators. I need content. Exclusively content.
That can't happen if one tribe or the other simply leaves.
This inevitably devolves into the norms catering to the biggest crybaby, which in practice again means the norms of the community are implicitly leftist.
You don't seem to disagree with me, you just think it's good and necessary. I firmly disagree, but that's a value judgment we all have to make for ourselves.
edit: also I'd recognize you and Hylnka both as fellow Reds, but you are an extreme minority. I maintain this place is overwhelmingly Blue, for the reason that blue norms are friendlier to leftists, and it's a leftist space.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
I am as racist and White supremacist as any can be, and I don't want any of the terrible things people think racist White supremacists want. I don't want to lynch them. I don't want to fly them to Africa. I don't want to put them in camps.
I just want society to stop catering to its lowest element. I want us to stop burning wealth and social capital on trying to uplift the black race out of a hole they dug themselves in. I want to shatter the mass cultural delusion that White people are responsible for black underperformance, that it's us keeping them down instead of them holding us back -- I just want them to fuck off and do their own thing, and I don't care if that thing succeeds or fails, so long as I don't have to pay for it or live in it.
There is no fix. The White race are not messiahs or babysitters. It's up to them to fix their problems, and the best thing we can do is go completely hands-off while they do it.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
Uphold democracy, including tolerance for diversity;
Be good neighbors and respect the sovereignty of other nations
It's a relief to know Ukraine and the United States will never join NATO.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
I'm skeptical that the Russian chans were neutral or left to begin with, but I have no insight into Russian internet culture, so who can say? I was thinking more the western world, though. The relevant chunks.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
...Other than running this place for years, preserving norms despite intense pressure to the contrary, and building an entire new site when the last one was in danger of getting banned, sure. But apart from all that...
The norms have seen all the best posters banished, keeping the place running requires no effort (a community is its members, not its leaders), but I will give full credit for paying this site's hosting costs and setting it up. Everyone on the mod team who contributed to that is free to take a bow -- with the understanding that this uniquely useful function they performed had nothing to do with moderation.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
I'm not indignant about leftists being my enemies; I'm indignant about Hylnka taking "punch a Nazi" at face value.
Minotaur
Si vis pacem, fac bellum
2yr ago
Truly, you are the greatest moderator of all time. Of all time.
I agree with him putting it there but I can't speak for him to say why he did it. I'll leave his take on the Jewish Question for him to explain.
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