Isn’t it just because Hungary represents a European country which went right wing authoritarian, and that’s important if your worldview values western liberal democracy?
(Or if you’re a socialist it’d be salient too. Liberals and socialists make up the core mainstream Reddit users).
Jesweez
2yr ago
I have a hobby of learning spanish and portuguese (via actually talking to people online, I learned through hundreds and hundreds of conversation partners and this has ranged across every single latin american country). Which then also led to a job working with people in south america.
Most people aren't very political, of course. When this topic does come up, my experience has been the same as yours. While I think most people would say that US interference for example had a detrimental effect on their country, it's pretty rare to find someone who pins all of the blame on that.
Jesweez
2yr ago
I actually meant things like: agriculture business is dependent upon their labor
We don’t need to end up like Venus to face severe consequences.
That’s why I’m sharing you news of so many crop failures in 2022 at just 1.1 degrees warming.
By 2070, billions people are projected to live in areas experiencing annual levels of heat that are currently only seen in 4 small pockets of the hottest parts of the Sahara: https://www.ft.com/content/072b5c87-7330-459b-a947-be6767a1099d
The maps on this are great ^
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1910114117
There exist climatic conditions which make it extremely likely that famines and mass migration occur.
And the world system is rather fragile if such events were to occur. We saw how disruptive even a relatively small mass migration from Syria was, or similarly with Venezuela. What happens when it’s the population behemoths of India Pakistan, Bangladesh, and East Africa simultaneously? (Chosen for their horribly unfortunate proneness to the extreme heat).
What happens when you get a few bad years for crops and suddenly food is very expensive? People riot, of course, and we see general chaos in the world system. (Sometimes waves of riots end up with civil wars, it’s a dangerous fuel).
And of course, all the tipping points are important, as they may push us several 0.1 degrees warmer ontop of all our emissions. There is the Amazon dieback, there is the permafrost thaw, there is the changing Arctic albedo, there is the North Atlantic Circulation slowdown, etc.
Sure, who even mentioned Mexicans?
The migrants weren’t Mexican either. They seemed to be mostly Venezuelans (hey, which is kind of carribean!)
Meanwhile in 2022:
China (worlds #1 wheat producer) had its worst ever winter wheat harvest due to spring flooding. China was then hit with the most extreme heatwave behavior we’ve ever observed in the late summer, seeing the world’s third largest river system plummet to record low levels.
India (#2 largest wheat producer) banned wheat exports due to a largely failed crop due to its early summer heatwave, even in the face of global pressure among the potential shortage from the Ukraine situation (luckily we got that Ukraine shipment issue sorted).
Pakistan underwent the same record breaking heatwave in the spring, and was hit with what can only be described as a biblical scale flood event with 1/3 of the country being underwater, in late summer.
River systems across Europe fell to record lows as a record heatwave sat on the continent in early summer. Satellite images revealed that half of the famously green British Isles turned brown.
As of September, Argentina (# 3 world corn producer) delays planting as it sees “the worst planting scenario for corn in the past 27 years” amidst drought.
In late summer, work on detailed underwater maps below the thwaites glacier is published, showing that it is only blocked by a small underwater ridge and could collapse suddenly, on the timespan of several years. A glacier which if retreated fully would lead to between 2-10 feet of sea level rise globally.
Other research published last year found surprisingly warm water flowing underneath the glacier.
Summer 2022 in the northern hemisphere tied for hottest ever recorded. We currently sit at ~1.1 degrees celsius warming.
We are projected to end up around 2.7 degrees warming by the end of the century, given current climate mitigation commitments.
This would likely be enough to pull several Earth system tipping points into play, but I won’t get ahead of myself.
Jesweez
2yr ago
They will not come if a fifty-foot-tall barrier physically obstructs their route
And then our agricultural system falls apart, wohoo
Jesweez
2yr ago
Why was providing actual data on the thing everyone else in this thread was simply assuming downvoted?
Since when can Florida not deal with the cultural baggage of a few Latinos?
It’s impossible to walk around Miami without receiving a “buenos días”, been that way for decades.
Jesweez
2yr ago
It’s my understanding that they moved them to a place they could be housed, because MV is just a little island and doesn’t have facilities to host a bunch of families who have no shelter.
They seemed to react kindly to the people, I didn’t really see anything of this “couldnt stand to see brown people” stuff.
The few reports I heard people brought them food, clothes, set up medical treatment areas, and brought a soccer ball and set up game tables, to hang out and pass the time, etc.
Jesweez
2yr ago
White people made the whole country though? I’m not really sure what you mean there
Jesweez
2yr ago
I’m pro immigration and I agree, send them where people express desire to help them
Jesweez
2yr ago
I think the point is rather that he doesn’t want to actually address the issue in his state because that has politically unpopular consequences
Jesweez
2yr ago
I read something today which I have long thought deep down, but hadn’t really seen spelled out elsewhere.
Namely, the censoring done by the liberal left, while there, is rather mild in the scheme of things and is probably much less than the same left would be censored by the people it currently censors if that group was in power.
The quote that brought it to my mind was from here, on Richard Hannania’s substack. After a post discussing being banned by Twitter, he drops this at the end of the article.
The right-wing whining in particular gets to me, and another motivation here is I don’t want to end up like my friends… I don’t feel particularly oppressed by leftists. They give me a lot more free speech than I would give them if the tables were turned. If I owned Twitter, I wouldn’t let feminists, trans activists, or socialists post. Why should I? They’re wrong about everything and bad for society. Twitter is a company that is overwhelmingly liberal, and I’m actually impressed they let me get away with the things I’ve been saying for this long.
https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/saying-goodbye-to-twitter
The attitude of censoring opponents seemed to have crystallized for the left around 2016, where I distinctly remember the conversation centering around the limits of tolerating intolerant ideologies. (Which seems to have become fully settled by now, interesting to observe an ideological movement update in real time in that way).
Does Hannania have a point here? Is the issue that the right takes offense with censorship itself, or would the right if it actually gained back power censor in a much more strict and comprehensive way?
I’m partial to this explanation.
Given our culture and the fact we’re all brought up learning about the history of racism, civil rights, etc., it makes sense that a white person would be very conditioned against responding something like “yes I feel unfavorable towards black people” on a questionnaire. I feel icky even writing that sentence, for example.
But, that’s just a questionnaire. Look at who people hang out with in their daily life. Look at how in schools people tend to group up based on self-similarity. Look at the research on innate biases, like those studies measuring threat response while looking at pictures of a white person vs a black person.
There very well may be unconscious in-group preference that doesn’t get captured by these methods.
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