FarmReadyElephants
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We can drift in my direction just fine without causing extreme political violence. We drifted the other way for near a century.
We can do things like purge DEI considerations from science funding bureaus, a fair shake in employment for whites, no government discrimination against Christians, and slower demographic change.
I don't doubt the ability of the left to work themselves up into a frenzy over small potatoes (like getting soccer moms to riot to keep illegal rapists in the country). But we will hopefully develop enough state capacity that these become nonevents and the incentive to do them disappears.
We should avoid catastrophizing and seeing our circumstances in such extreme terms. We can do a lot without civil war.
While it’s true that Trump has some use on the campaign trail to draw crowds, his successor/widow + Elon will have much of the same capability. He’s kinda mixed on TV, with both gaffes and zingers. His debate with Kamala was a pathetic stalemate against a dim talent and he’s only getting older.
It’s hard for me to say that Trump the martyr wouldn’t be of more use than a live Trump in 2028. And after 2028, he just becomes a liability and chaos monkey to the nationalist movement. He’s not an important thinker or strategic asset. He’s polarizing and will be remembered more fondly by centrist voters dead than alive.
For those of us that want a capable right-wing takeover of America, Trump is going to be a major pain in the ass after 2028.
Now Charlie Kirk was a telegenic movement builder in his 30s. That was a massive loss. There is no replacement for him.
It's insane to me that I could book a hotel room for the same time the President is going to be giving a public appearance in its ballroom.
Dude had a fuckin' shotgun. Successful assassins use sniper rifles. Maybe a pistol to get in close undetected. But a shotgun? What on Earth is the success scenario?
Speaking as a member of the extreme right fringe, Trump going out by assassination sometime late in his second term would be near best case scenario for the MAGA/nationalist movement. Now is a little early, but not unreasonably so. It anoints Vance as the successor and bolsters the chance at grabbing more power and will to force through more effective change.
Oh no Mr. Leftist, please don't assassinate my President early in the primary season leading up to 2028. I would be so sad.
Economic integration is positive sum
I think they could make a one-state solution work. The suicide bombings would dissipate when the Arab children found themselves 20x more wealthy than their recent ancestors. Israel would need the stomach to take some shots without over-retaliating.
They did this before Israel, they will do it after it.
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My understanding is that the Jewish population of Palestine was small before the Zionist movement, and relations with their Muslim and Christian neighbors were not particularly problematic.
I wouldn't differentiate the two. My bet is the "Soviet Jews" here are genetically quite similar to the Ashkenazim.
There were some high profile massacres to, um, encourage, the others to leave. Terrorism, basically.
The proportions are quite high (80% vs. 40%)
I notice that people on both sides of the conflict are very selective about which 90 year old atrocities are a causus belli excusing violent action today.
Palestinians have 2x the proportion of ancient Levantine DNA as Ashkenazi (European) Jews, who make up most of the Israeli population
I recall Luigi, and I recall the polling: people old enough to have been adults when a the post FDR wealth redistribution program was still around were very unfavorable; people who came into consciousness as the program was being fully unwound in the late 80s and 90s were split 50/50, and people who never experienced that social milieu were yelling "BASED BASED BASED!"
Am I crazy for thinking that our welfare state is probably the most generous it's been in our history? We surely are a lot richer and have a lot more programs than FDR did. FDR had make work programs, we hand out cash. Propaganda is a hell of a drug, I guess.
The US Oil embargo in 2011 was a major factor in Syria not being able to pay its military and secure armaments.
Not to toot my own horn, but a friend of mine turned Meltdown into an awesome song, and I made a crappy AI music video for it.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=UGq_B_C7_Ec?si=YzDgndmJ55OAnlvU
If there's any actually good AI animators out there that want to take a crack at it, LMK
People who pass well and are integrated into my community I use chosen pronouns. Bad actors I will truegender all day. The vast majority of unaffiliated trans people I just avoid using any pronouns in front of, and call them their real gender in private.
I mean, I was afraid. They were damaging property downtown and I lived a mile away. They were blockading the major thoroughfares that I used every day and I saw videos of people being ripped from their vehicles. They were establishing physical dominance and scaring people to make a political point (that we better reduce police funding... or else). And that is what my city did.
The George Floyd riots certainly count as terrorism in my book. I, personally, was terrified. They blocked off the main highways going through downtown that I used everyday and burned buildings.
The Don Lemon stunt also looks like terrorism to me. But it was done with intimidation, rather than violence itself. So some kind of terrorism lite. The point is, if they weren't charged, there would be nothing to stop them from shutting down that church every week.
Seems reasonable. I understand the complaints, but sorry, if you're signing up to carry out the violence of the state your face is on the line. That's the deal.
This is only reasonable if harassing off-duty ICE officers and their families is made a felony and is brutally and efficiently enforced. Given how conservative Supreme Court Justices were harassed at their homes (a federal crime!) we know it won't be
The difference is that the goals of this protest movement would be highly unpopular if it were stated directly. Likely, a lot of the protestors themselves aren't consciously aware of the goal of the movement. That goal is demographic and policy changes that favor the Democratic party (no voter ID, no immigration enforcement, handouts for underclass clients) as well as increasing enthusiasm and entrenching identity among the Democratic base.
The part that is mentioned out loud is the socially acceptable tip of the iceberg (kindness to immigrants). And we do see messages of kindness and fairness repeated with some degree of uniformity and discipline.
I appreciate the compliment about my writing. For what it’s worth, I have a history of leaving right wing spaces that become too harsh. It just became too dissonant to be dating my now wife and open my group chats to see TND spelled out and applauded.
It’s an odd position to be in. I’m full-right. Deport them all, pro capital punishment, hell I could be convinced to support a military coup. But I’m an extreme right-winger because I want to preserve what is good and beautiful in this world. I want to live a beautiful life with those I love. I want to feel like I’m fighting side-by-side with Aragorn, not sniggering in a cave with a bunch of imps reciting the word “nigger”.
I’m thinking I need to be a little slower about leaving though. If I leave, the places just become more harsh. I love the motte, I think it is one of the best run forums on the internet. But I have noticed an increase in harshness lately from people on my side.
I appreciate what the mods do here to tend the garden and I hope to provide the tone and perspective that I want to see in the world
I’m an Orthodox Christian and I’m not allowed to leave a man to die, even if his existence is an annoyance. That said, I resist all attempts of people to use my faith to blackmail me to support suicidal empathy as a national policy. I’m firmly in the deport them all camp.
It’s called “the middle way” or “the royal road”.
I do have a bit of feeling of disgust at the sight of a homeless man in the park. Hostility even. It offends me as a sign of lack of public order and I resent the inconvenience I’ve undergone throughout my lifetime on their behalf. But I’m also a Christian and I’m bound to help a fellow man, even if I resent his presence.
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One would think that the US Federal Government could sure as hell book out an entire hotel for a night.
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