Evinceo
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Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
The decision to take a vaccine can only be understood in context of (what I see as) the authoritarian push that surrounded it.
I guess we just straight up differ here. I see it mostly in the context of what it costs (practically nothing) and what it achieves (some nonzero decrease in the chance that people get sick.) If you only care about the signaling you can always get vaccinated and not tell anyone.
From my perspective you were party to a crime in lending emotional support to a push for mandatory medical procedures.
I've been careful to repeatedly state my opposition to mandates, which I don't agree with. I have a personal issue with people not doing it.
If you're willing to stretch to see me as morally culpable for mandates, would you permit me to see the antivax movement as morally culpable for the FDA's extremely slow, fatally cautious rollout of the vaccines, leading to excess deaths including people I really would have preferred to remain alive?
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
He didn't 'cover' it, he aired it. While a few Schizos might have harassed them anyway, his audience of Schizos surely follow him more than originating ideas individually; otherwise why watch him?
Maybe that one guy shouldn't have made that very odd laugh on camera right before talking about his kid(s?) getting shot.
So one non-professional-broadcaster's bad emote on camera makes them more culpable than years of lies from a professional broadcaster? No.
Kind of what happened with Kanye West 'You can't say George Floyd died from fentanyl' while what they meant was 'You can't say that jews control the media and banks, or else we will disparage you and unbank you!'
I have no idea what you're on about here, but as far as I know Kanye West isn't being charged with any crimes, so I don't understand the comparison.
None of these people care about the dead kids' parents
Who are 'these people'? The parents are the plantiffs.
but they do care about the other stuff he was talking about, probably Epstein and co.
MSM covered Epstein though.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
My subjective feeling is that the trans stuff occupies far more of this forum's time here than on Reddit.
You're not wrong, and I think it's that there's no longer the feat that openly doing the trans debate would lead to a banhammer. Likewise I see HBD discussed a lot more than on Reddit, probably for the same reason.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
Choose team liberty over team coercion.
Same, but please also make good decisions, not just decisions based on vibes.
Choose team economy over team lockdown.
What does that have to do with getting a shot?
I'm really not sure what you're saying here
I was hamhandedly drawing an equivalence, ie, a very expensive signal to show that you don't care about me and mine. Which is fine. I don't want to coerce you into caring about who you hurt. But it might affect my decision to invite you to parties, yeah?
Consider the pledge of allegiance-US school kids recite it every day. Compared to getting a yearly shot, this is an astounding amount of time, and a much clearer signal of conformity. I assume you're US-based, did you refuse that too?
And you never did mention if you got your flu shots.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
Does anti-woke also neatly cover lockdown/vaccine skepticism? I think that the most accurate characterization of themotte's politics is Contrarian.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
Not to undermine your argument too much, but Twitter Wellspring guy isn't a conservative.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
And the voice just says 'have you tried using the website dumbass?'
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
I mistakenly assumed that everyone around me regularly got flu shots and would be totally ok getting experiencing less than a second of pain to avoid harming my family. And I suppose now that the old folks are already dead from covid I shouldn't have anything to worry about-it's not like they're going to die again. But just like you, I feel like it's the principal of the thing. Choose Team Mankind or Team Virus (or, hell, Team China if you believe in lab leak theory.)
I think people should have the absolute authority to choose what goes in their arm, but if I see someone with 'death to /u/evinceo's ancestors' tattooed on their forehead, I'm going to treat them with some amount of contempt.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
My current berserk button: Dog attacks/dangerous dog ownership/breed of peace. I've written some wild stuff here about them. I think that it's Parenthood and knowing that little kids are especially vulnerable to harm from dogs (since they're at the dog's level) paired with the massive emotional weight of it not just being some tool like a gun, but rather someone's best friend.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
There probably also a rarely heard take:
Delegating our most important speech to private platforms was a mistake.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
Or one specific dedicated thread for each of the done-to-death CW issues and keep the main thread clean for discussion of new topics.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
Trans stuff is one of this forum's hobby horses and is one of the reasons it had to leave reddit. If anything, what gets endlessly regurgitated is people discussing the new LOTR show.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
I suspect the same would be true if you graphed hormone levels.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
The sex differences in emotional processing, cognition etc are
Hormone driven and vary widely by individual anyway.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
After all, children died on 9/11, have died in Ukraine, have died in Syria, etc. Why not fine those with heterodox opinions about those matters billions too? If we allow the parents of muh murdered children to set the standards of discourse, then say goodbye to discourse beyond "thoughts and prayers! <3" entirely.
I've tried to really hammer this home, but most conspiracy theorists absolutely do not create a narrative which paints grieving families as conspirators. Look at 9/11 truthers as your meter stick; they said that it was an inside job or bush did 9/11. That Jet Fuel didn't melt steel beams. Most did not say 'you're fake, your loved ones never existed.' It's not just 'heterodox opinions bad' it's 'slanderous allegations against specific private citizens bad.'
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
Most people don't enjoy human suffering. In order to profit from it at scale, you evolve a culture that frames your inhumanity to fellow men as something else. The slavery was gone, but the culture that had evolved to enable it persisted. Understand?
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
Sounds like extortion. Give us obscene amounts of money or we may go on a homicidal rage.
Wait till you find out about taxes.
Isn't that the point of laws and police. Rule of law can be upheld without acceding to unreasonable demands.
'We want Jones's head on a spike' is an unreasonable demand. 'We want Jones to pay us a large sum of money' is reasonable.
Is a billion or more dollars reasonable, especially we're talking an individual who doesn't even have anywhere close to that much money?
Now if it's a matter of degrees, I once more refer you to 'don't piss off the court.' Had jones conducted himself like a law abiding citizen is expected to, he probably wouldn't be dealing with such a large judgment.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
In short: Ingroup>outgroup?
Alex Jones could have been Alex Jones and made up a different lie that didn't implicate random strangers as adversaries in some grand conspiracy. For example, he could have said that Adam Lanza was CIA.
the other thousand instances that happen every day get ignored or even celebrated
Many many cases go to court every day, so I'm not sure what you're saying here. Jones clowned in court, and if you do that, all bets are off.
I can certainly think of worse instances of abuse and harm than what Alex Jones did. Can't you?
I have difficulty imagining a more ghoulish use of a radio show than to slander the mourning parents of slain children.
Consider the way 9/11 truthers operated. Very few denied that people actually died. I suspect that someone saying 'Cops are liars, none of them died in 9/11, they're just trying to take away our right to brandish box cutters on airlines' they'd be in shit just as deep.
To put things in a different context, if public figures start talking about the inherent evil of a people, and then others start attacking those people in the street at random, do we punish the public figures or the people who committed the crime?
In my ideal world we'd discourage that type of thing, yes. I think that there's a difference between slandering, say 'all white people', 'all black people', 'cops' or 'politicians' and, say, a very specific small group of people ('sandy hook families') and a necessary increase in liability to go with it. If someone says 'Officer Jones is a killer' and someone shoots Officer Jones, it's probably different than if Activist Bob says 'All cops are killers' and someone shoots officer jones. Now, if Activist Bob is the most recognizable cop hater in the whole country, which brings me to:
It seems bizarre to blame Jones as if he was the one phoning these peoples homes, right?
We live in the age of untouchable useful idiots who can be used for plausible deniability. In days past, people were more direct, and law enforcement got good at nailing organized crime. So now we have this: distributed crime with no explicit orders and all relationships are parasocial.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
prosecute [...] MSNBC into oblivion?
Don't threaten me with a good time
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
Why is he being destroyed so thoroughly?
Thinking about it again, this question belies a misunderstanding of just how seething mad we'd expect Jones's victims to be. He's basically engaged in an old school feud with these people, who did absolutely nothing to provoke him besides have their lives ruined.
We live in a society where we resolve things with court cases and laws and such. For most of human history, this group of victims would probably have just murdered Jones for being a pest. We live in a unique period where we don't allow you do that just because you're justifiably angry.
A judgment like this tries to protect society from that chaos. It acknowledges that what Jones had done is beyond the pale, but mollifies the homicidal rage of the wronged.
Free speech is meant to protect citizens from a tyrannical government, isn't it? If he'd stuck to defaming the government like a normal person, I suspect he wouldn't be in nearly so much trouble.
Evinceo
Resident Normie
2yr ago
he never directed his followers to do harassment
What's your threshold for 'directing followers to do harassment' though? If people are motivated by lies, is the liar responsible? Are people just supposed to hear stuff like 'x is a government psyop trying to take your freedom' and just be like 'ok?'
I guess I also don't buy that avoiding a non-mandatory vaccination is in any way resisting the imposition of a police state.
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