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				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 24, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


How exactly do you know their political alignment and level of engagement?




It's an old canard, but I always thought it had unimpeachable logic:


The more time a person can spend powermodding on Reddit, the less likely it is that they have a job, and the less likely it is that they have a job, the more likely they are to be poor, and the more likely they are to be poor, the more likely they are to be leftist.


TL;DR: conservatives have less time for Internet drama because conservatives go to work for 8 hours a day.


It's not a PROOF of their ideological bent, but it's a constraining of their probability density in a leftwards direction.


t. Monarchist neoreactionary phoneposting from his directly taxpayer funded job


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 24, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Messages are typically under 200 characters, repeating lines of dialogue, cheering on a character, or the most basic observations you could imagine. Zero insightful or thoughtful replies.




Sure, but are you attributing to ideological malice an effect that could just as easily be explained by more third-worlders getting Internet access?


Reddit's userbase might have become retarded not due to purging rightists, but due to welcoming people from, uhh, regions of the Earth with less than stellar education systems. In this way, the lower quality of posts represents MORE profitability, not less: you can profit off selling a stupid Brazilian e-advertised tat just as well (probably better) than an intelligent American.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 17, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I’m not sure its politically valuable to care about punishing the Joe’s boss’ boss for Joe’s decision.




Indeed. The objective isn't (shouldn't be?) to bankrupt the parent company's bottom line or fire the CEO; this is a confusion with means and ends. The right-wing objective should be to stop pro-trans advertising from trying to propagandise audiences in future. That can be accomplished by a relatively limited outcome that whatever activist thought up this stunt, doesn't get listened to in the boardroom next time because "Remember the shitshow last time".


Getting that guy fired, getting that guy blacklisted, getting his boss fired, bankrupting the company - these might send a strong signal and a chilling effect to others, but they're at best stretch goals and possibly counterproductive vindictive overkill (after all, the parent company puts out manly non-trans beers too). Failure to reach those ends does not mean your boycott failed.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 17, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I appreciate the correction. It does not, however, detract from the central thesis that the government points and the BBC goes.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 17, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


The UK has strong carveouts for 'regional media', the BBC relocated much of its production staff to Manchester for example




To drive home the point that the British government says "jump" and the BBC says "how high?", iirc this move was a purely political one after the Tory government started getting flack that it's economic policy was rabidly London-centric while ignoring everywhere else in the country. So they compelled the BBC to move a bunch of shit to Manchester. The median cosmopolitan bourgie-urbanite BBC employee would consider "relocation to Manchester" the equivalent of being exiled to Siberia, and it caused a lot of whining and gnashing of teeth within the BBC. But their putative independence was as nothing compared to the Tories' determination to win themselves votes at the next election from Norf FC by "bringing them jobs".


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 17, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Why do you give a shit?




Because my not encountering anyone interesting in the thousand or so people I've met in my 30 or so years of living at the turn of the 21st century, does not mean that humanity couldn't produce anyone interesting in the 10^90 transhuman people who could exist across the next trillion years of seizing the cosmic endowment.


Welcoming the paperclipper because people are boring in 2023 is analogous to suiciding yourself because you're a kissless virgin at 16. There is still plenty of time for the situation to improve, provided you stay alive.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 17, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Anyone with a brain would do so, again if they understood the significance of this technology in potential.




I've watched too many Liveleak videos of Chinese industrial accidents to believe that anyone with a position of power in the PRC isn't a degenerate high-time-preference psychopath who'd take the safety rails off anything if he thinks he can sell them for scrap metal and earn a few extra yuan.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 17, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
That was Big Yud at his most sympathetic?


I dunno, I just can't put myself in that mindset. I think it's probably because I don't really like anyone currently alive very much, so I don't feel "thousands of deaths of sentient people every minute" as a thousand tiny knives stabbing at my soul. People are a renewable resource! Sure, some will die, but, no big loss: basically identical ones will take their place.


...until they don't, because mankind wholesale gets paperclipped. At THAT, I feel Yud's doomer schizo panic.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 17, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


they recognized that a cascade of defection would not end well, then got paid.




Critically, they got paid enough to sleepwalk into home ownership and supporting a family on one income and low effort.


How many zoomers can say that?




What alternative is there? Utopia? Your pals Xi and Putin?




Abstract notions that there's no better system throretically concievable as being able to replace the status quo might be enough of an argument to discourage me from grabbing my AK and joining the armed revolution, but it's not really enough to convince me that I should become a go-getting boomer and strive 110% every day at my wagie job that has a radically worse effort/reward ratio than it did for my grandfather.


Societal buy-in requires some better incentives than "If you don't work unpaid overtime, China will win!"


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Agreed. For AIs less powerful than Skynet-paperclipper destroying mankind, I have total confidence that the administrative state will either legally put the squeeze on AI adoption (thereby retaining almost all the jobs we have now), or manufacture an infinite quantity of replacement Graeber-ite Bullshit Jobs, such that all AI-unemployment doomerism is nonsense. As someone posted the other week, the administrative state already makes most labour-saving technology illegal; the profit motive is powerless next to an apparatchik in a grey suit spewing safetyism into legislation. (As an aside, the more I read about this, the more I wonder why the USSR collapsed, because economic inefficiency obviously isn't really able to cause state failure - if it were, the West would have buried all our own regimes too).


Every imagined AI problem below UFAGI is a nothingburger in both a relative and absolute sense, because as long as human lawmakers are still in control, all economic problems are only the stroke of a pen away from a solution.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
The incentives of academia seem near-perfectly configured to encourage running the programme.


Overstretched early-career academics running out of grant money and desperate for promising preliminary results now because if they don't meet the grant application deadline they're gonna get fired from their moderate-status job? When running the programme gives you a 90% chance of good results and a 0.1% chance of killing everyone, and you know that every other overstretched researcher in the world will be facing the same dilemma eventually (making it a stochastic certainty that someone will run the program)... well, it may as well be you, at least you won't have to live the Last Days of Mankind with low-status.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I don't get why BBC and NPR (or any media outlet) should care what they are labeled as.




You're right, but as is often the case, there's a principal-agent problem here.


It doesn't matter to the institutional objectives or news-reporting teleological mission of the BBC or NPR what Twitter label they get. But to Terminally Online journos who spend 18 hours a day on Twitter and rely on it desperately for personal-brand-building? For journos who are working a job that pays them in status/prestige more than money? The cognitive dissonance is gonna cut deep when that hard-earned status is publicly threatened, traduced by their engagement platform of choice equating them to the very Kremlinoid fake-news trollfarms that the journos have been dunking on since 2016. It's like water suddenly declaring war on the fish. And so the journos (agents) will furiously burn the organisations' (principals') resources in a campaign to defend this slight on their own honour.


Not to go full Uncle-Ted-posting, but the oversocialised leftist is extremely vulnerable to this kind of attack.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


And the latter are regularly censored on matters of minor corruption in ways the former is rigorously guarded against.




I do not consider it an improvement to live in a country where the inside-baseball skulduggery of regime apparatchiks is out in the open, but the sophistry and censorship and propaganda gets deployed on topics of me being locked in my house for 2 years due to a cough or having all my tax money blown on irrelevant wars half a world away. Oh, and also, those refugees? Doctors, lawyers, scientists. White People are only 56% of the births now? Nah, that's not important news, no need to report that.


Truthing me about the small stuff but lying about the big stuff is MUCH WORSE than vice-versa.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Again, I wish I could find the paper, but I remember it making the point that the variance is huge for that cohort, so that'll be why: it's an average of 20% but you lucked out on the high end of the very wide distribution.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


I've never actually understood why people are so obsessed with claiming Cleopatra.




Now that all historical men are unsafe to use as role models (because some SJW will inevitably find an example of their being slavers or sexists or homophobes or Did A Racism once, leading to Cancellation) the historical-revisionism battle to claim historical women for one's cause will only pick up pace.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Infertile women were always a thing.




I don't think they were, but it's irrelevant to the point. Even if I grant your hypothesis, they weren't a thing that could leave an impression in evolutionary psychology, because no infertile person ever can.


Also, Biblical Times substantially post-dates the ancestral environment.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Makes no difference. Women's intuition isn't so great that they can see the thread his relationship's hanging by. What they can see is the fact that he's got a relationship.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I can't find the paper any more, but I swear I once found a research paper which said: if you inseminate a woman on the exact right day of the monthly cycle, the probability of a 35-40 year old conceiving is 20%.


Assume that she's exactly 36 1/2, so 42 months under those rules, run a binomial distribution...


Actually it's more complex than this because you need to block out 9 months after each conception, AND iirc the miscarriage chance is about 20% in that cohort too. Uhh... To Be Continued, I'll code up a simulation.


EDIT: I compute a 99.998% chance of at least 1 kid, 95% chance of >1, 67% chance of >2, 19% chance of >3. So maybe she's gonna be OK, but to reiterate, this is only if she starts tracking her oestrus and barebacking every optimal day, starting NOW.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


On the other hand, a man who juts barely landed a committed partner, has no chance of finding casual partners.




Do you live in opposite world? The "vetting" meme is real: already having a gf is the best pussy magnet (outside of having several millions of dollars).


[Edit: for speak-plainly purposes, the vetting meme is the idea that women are more attracted to men who already have committed partners because the presence of the committed partner demonstrates ex facie that he is capable of satisfying a woman (in all social, financial, and sexual spheres). It is both a costly signal, and proof that he is indeed boyfriend material.]


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


This could make sense from an ev-psych point of view. If you have kids with a genetic dud, presumably your kids will also struggle more with mating, potentially creating a vicious cycle




Nothing that a 36 year old childless woman does makes sense from an evo-psych view. Such creatures would never have existed in the ancestral environment, because women needed to start exchanging their wombs for mastodon steak at 14 or they'd just die of exposure.


But even if they had it wouldn't make any sense, because having a kid with a genetic dud still gives you more chance of grandchildren than does having no kids, which gives you zero chance.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Good god, what did that toxic narcissist do now?




It's Stephanie Sterling now.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Teenage boys understand what makes teachers mad.




And their teachers are going to be watching their TikTok and YouTube comments, are they?


You're implying that the reaction is "performative political incorrectness", but this is impossible, because the audience they want to make seethe isn't watching, and everyone knows it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 10, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Even when i worked for the governing party I could not just go to the BBC to squash stories.




Unless you were the Minister of Culture I don't know why you'd think you could. Of course the tea boy in 10 Downing Street doesn't get to boss people around as much as a cabinet minister would. YOUR failure to influence the Beeb doesn't mean everyone in the British government is similarly toothless.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of April 3, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Why the fuck would I do the latter? I don't even have any kids so my caring about the future is pretty fucking limited.




I'm adding +1 to my dataset of "People without kids shouldn't be allowed to vote".


I don't think there's really much more to say on that but on the other hand I don't wanna get canned for low effort posting, so here's  (closer to) the aforementioned "10 paragraphs when 1 would do":


If you don't have any higher / longer term aspirations than jacking off then I guess you shouldn't care about AI doomerism, but also you shouldn't care about anything medium to long term, so complaining at AI doomers for being uniquely unconvincing is kind of an isolated demand for rigor.


However, even a degenerate coomer might have some investment in the future because with voice cloning you can already make your one 11/10 porn audios. Sadly the good Elevenlabs utilities went back behind the paywall, but I'm hopeful they'll be leaked / opensourced soon, leading to a golden age of jacking off. Wouldn't want to have that shining future snatched away from you because of Skynet.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of March 13, 2023
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


Anti-Christianity is one thing, but anti-catholicism is especially dangerous because of the places it leads to




I think this is hyperbolic.


I am reminded of that racist hoax from the UK that was discussed in the thread last month, about a suspiciously misspelt letter that was sent to some BAME Brit calling her a "Yoruba scum". This was a glaring red flag because No True Racist cares one whit what precise tribe of black she is. Whereas blacks care a great deal about what tribe of black they are; hence the false flag diagnosis.


Likewise, the 2020s Canadians who are vandalising churches are not going to care what sect of Christianity you're from. People who are trying to exact revenge for indigenous killings from people who are 100 years removed from a crime... that didn't even happen? If they're gonna smash up a church with such poor attention to detail on the temporal and factual aspects of responsibility, I hardly think they'll be splitting hairs on the theological distinctions.


Therefore I put it to you that making the distinction between anti-christian and anti-catholic will decrease your predictive power in the Canada case. You are not cleaving reality at the joints here, due to an inaccurate model of the mental state of the people doing church desecrations.