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				USA Election Day 2022 Megathread
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I literally don't know.  In a vacuum that sounds like a lot of cell phones but i have absolutely no context for whose phone or what these paths look like.  Can you show that these cell phones aren't cars that simply pass the geofence closest to the nonprofit, then pass a fence near the poll, all while never getting out of their car?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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Incompetence is a way better cover story than an attack vector.  Actual incompetence is unpredictable,  so for something as important as a hypothetical election rigging scheme why would you risk sending a bunch of gomer pyles when you could send a bunch of super cool spies who just pretend to be retarded.


The motte here is that conspiracies require some number of agents to facilitate them and there have been 0 vote switchers discovered, idunno what the bailey even is.  From my limited perspective the rightists, especially the trump aligned, are the ones constantly building up fantastical narratives about the vote and then retreating towards reality when questioned.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				USA Election Day 2022 Megathread
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
i watched 2000 mules when it came out, IIRC the best evidence they had was video of a grandpa dropping off 10-20 votes for his family, which is a lot of votes but not quite the type of proof one would hope for when the crime in question is supposedly systematic and widespread.


They also had some phone telemetry stuff showing that some people came and went from the area of a polling station repeatedly, but i don't think they have any way to know the difference between a door dasher and a secret squirrel.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of November 7, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
surely he's advocating for government funded communal sex and drug raves that last for 72 hours once a year. guaranteed babies every time.   The abortion clinics will literally not be able to keep up with demand.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
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nod along when Trump




I don't think the dems should get too cocky quite yet but when you let a capital P Populist be one of the main unifying draws for an entire presidential cycle, its gonna have a lingering effect.  The q-anon truthers and Trump loyalists aren't going away.


Lets play with a hypothetical:  is it actually good for republicans in 2024 if trump gets hung out to dry by the court battles he's entangled in?  Is it possible we see Desantis backers and trump supporters battling in the usual online spaces (or does that already happen, i don't frequent the trenches of serious republican think tanks)?


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				USA Election Day 2022 Megathread
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
i for one hope to see some Desantis vs Trump debates, i can only imagine them being entertaining.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 31, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
How exactly would make-work generate meaning?  Can't a person get all the benefit (or more) of make-work by like, working out?  I just fail to see how any of the positive feelings people associate with a job well done or a step forward in a career path could come from a job that is essentially a placebo.


Also i find the sentiment distastefully close to "the plebs need to be reminded of their place (working, even if it is literally meaningless work) lest they become restless and uppity"


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 31, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
i can agree with the idea of trump being somewhat centrist in his own political leanings but only for social policies.  His personal preferences for economic policy and especially taxation are way out of line with the leftist overton window.   I can't imagine the guy standing for anything that would mess with his bottom line in any substantial way.


That said, i wouldn't mind if trump had run as a dem,  he's good at riling people up and i think he is unprincipled (flexible?  creative?  choose how charitable this adjective should be) enough to say most stuff democrats would like to hear if that was the most realistic path to power for him.     Like you say though,  i think clinton vs trump in a dem primary is a way worse matchup than jeb,  who trump basically ridiculed off stage.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 24, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'd argue that some people probably think that an outward facing surface is part of what makes traditional social media,  the idea that you can tweet out to whoever the retweets take you to or that you can be looked up by randos on facebook.  Discord kinda doesn't have that, its all invite based, its mostly not used to send 1 message to a large audience,  and you can't really look someone up unless you know their discord ID.


It's still social media in the broad sense but its more like myspaceified IRC than chatroomified twitter.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 24, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
from what i heard pelosi's security detail was with her and there was no security team allocated to her husband at the time.


I agree it's surprising but just chiming in to say security wasn't out getting coffee or anything.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 24, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
tough to speculate without looking like a fedpost but i kinda assume that most avenues of serious planning to assassinate someone will trip some invisible alarms somehow or another.  That said, i don't really have any proof that the secret police ever stop anyone from killing people, so maybe in reality people are just less willing to die for their political beliefs in america.


Worth noting, that Japanese guy who shot Shinzo Abe with the fallout gun was prettymuch an archetypal head on assassination, so it still does happen.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 17, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


As for examples: the things said about Kyle Rittenhouse




by whomst?  People arguing the merits of self defense vs. murder is way more rational of a discourse than whatever alex jones goes on about.  I understand this somewhat subjective, but are you saying you see accusing people of eating babies and worshipping satan (with no evidence) as the same level of ridiculousness as wanting a guy who (legally) shot others to be charged with murder?


You got me that the DNC says more inflammatory stuff than i thought they did, but i still think jones is way crazier than any well known dem.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 17, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I'll admit thats way more ridiculous messaging than i had seen from them elsewhere, mea culpa i should look before i speak in that regard.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 17, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I agree that there are democrats who should say less, but i think you are significantly downplaying how inflammatory Jones' opinions are.  If you say democratic pundits have similarly ridiculous views, please hit me with an example that is on the level of this, from someone roughly as recognizable as Jones. https://youtube.com/watch?v=KGAAhzreGWw


Also one comment up you suggest that the DNC was supportive of the BLM riots, then backtrack to the motte of "democratic pundits".  Why even bother with the bailey if you are gonna reframe in the next sentence?


I think we both know that the DNC doesn't broadcast an opinion on events in a comparable way to a talk show.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
i legitimately think the idea has crossed more than a few minds before.


https://youtube.com/watch?v=SpdWzECPS-E&t=89


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of October 10, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
Disagree to some extent,  my highschool friends would get some salvia from time to time, as it was completely legal and sold in gas stations.   The first time i tried it was on a balmy friday night before i was to attend the archetypal highschool party. The experience was so intensely unpleasant and extreme that i was left bewildered.  I decided i'd rather go home and think about what the fuck just happened rather than go talk to people who didn't know that there is an entire universe of recursive car seats you can get trapped in on the passenger side of my friends camry.


DMT on the other hand is similar but somehow not so uncomfortable or jarring. Salvia is like being shown the truth of some alien universe but any joy or laughter has been edited out, DMT is like seeing beyond the veil in its terrifying and hilarious entirety.


So yeah, salvia was fun as a kid in that its a bonafide hallucinogen with low risk of chemically bad stuff happening, but its also widely regarded as kindof an unfun experience unless the idea of hallucinating is novel enough that you would want to just for the sake of it.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 19, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
i that the case?  Heres one from 2010  https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/201/4/491/861190




We observed significant reductions in ILI during weeks 4–6 in the mask and hand hygiene group




				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 19, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					


What am I supposed to conclude from this episode with the masks?




idunno, probably that public health services are inefficient and worried about appearances more than results. and yeah im sorry for calling my strawman stupid, though i have to wonder why it caused you any offense.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 19, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
eww?  my friend, when someone coughs on the bus its eww for everyone, my point is that the person who is coughing should have as much of the cough localized to them as possible.  yes eww, but it's the guy who's coughing thats gross to begin with.


What are you asking for here, studies that show that the particulate from coughs can contain viruses?  That you can catch a cold by being coughed on?


im not saying that if we adopted voluntary masking at 100% uptake the cold would be gone, im saying that i bet it would reduce the spread of cough-transmitted sickness.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 19, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
i shouldn't have used the flu thing to support my point that masks help reduce the spread of diseases from coughs.   https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-72798-7 this study  supports my point, what you got that says masks dont stop the particles from coughs?




wearing a surgical mask or a KN95 respirator significantly reduced the outward number of particles emitted per second of breathing.




note that i never defended cloth masks, and they do seem worthless at best.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 19, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
none of that means that masks are a bad prophylactic for generally slowing down the spread of respiratory infections that spread by coughing.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 19, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
"i know which society is healthier" is the type of appeal to common sense i would expect to see on reddit, not here where we can ostensibly say what we really mean.   I didn't bring up China because i think their pandemic response was ridiculous and draconian.   Their ability to move on is not something that has crossed my mind, as i don't live in an east asian country and "moving on from covid" has literally already happened in every sense that practically matters to me (other than the fact that it still like, exists).  Ive been going to concerts and shit since like, october last year.




turn an abstract threat of an invisible virus into a clothing ritual everyone has to partake every single day or otherwise face social scorn and state sanctions?




my guy, my whole comment was about how i wished that stupid people didn't perceive masks as some sort of satanic ritual designed to make their lives worse. Sadly they do and the idea seems to have bled into the fucking water table of social opinions.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 19, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I specifically want sick people to wear masks,  masks do block particulate matter from coughs and the like. I don't wanna dig up the mask horse but i don't recall reading anything that said "masks don't work, throw em out", just various things about masks middling efficacy at stopping covid.  All the masking and social distancing meanwhile basically ended the flu for a few years, i feel like theres something to be gleaned from that and it isn't "fuck masks" imo.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 19, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
I remain disappointed that so many people have huddled around mask wearing as such a significant political symbol.   I was hoping the US would adopt a mask culture similar to what Japan has, where wearing a mask is common for people that have the sniffles but need to go out and get groceries, and its not weird to put a mask on when you are on the train with a bunch of gross randos.


Instead we are getting kindof the opposite, where its mainly hypochondriacs wearing masks in public and sick people wont wear them because they dont wanna look like a pussy.   pretty lame all around.


				

				

						

							

								
							

						


						
					

				
			


			

	


			
			
				

			
		

	






		

			
			
				Culture War Roundup for the week of September 12, 2022
			
		

	

	

	

		
			

			

				

			

		

			


				

					
You can't be a trump fan or pro-US-republican if you aren't american? I disagree with your observation that Desantis (i assume) is Trump-but-different.  I also would argue that some quantity of trump voters aren't republicans in the traditional (pre 2016) sense of the word, and probably wouldn't vote if it wasn't for Trump.