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Firstly, as shown in many videos, ICE takes time out of their day to stop and question, photograph, detain, and arrest people for blowing whistles near them, yelling at them, and generally being annoying.
No, they don't take time out of their day. They are interrupted from performing their jobs by these people who are interfering with arrests.
The position of the administration, contrary to the law, appears to be that they can just arrest and detain anyone foreign present in the United States, even if they followed the rules. This is utterly lawless.
No, this is actually applying the law as written. Someone who applies for refugee status still does not have a right to walk freely in the United States. The law is for them to be detained until their case is processed. The problem is, we started letting these people out into the US on bond and everyone in the entire world learned that they do not have to follow US Immigration procedures but just had to show up at the border and say the magic words. Then the number of people applying for asylum got too big for us even consider detaining them all until their cases were evaluated.
Congress gave ICE explicit authority to revoke this bond for any reason, as there is no legal right to wander the United States if they are not citizens or here on one of the official visas.
Acting harshly here is the only way to stop the spurious asylum cases that ballooned under Biden.
If the economic opportunity were much more limited, nobody would jump the border if they couldn't feed themselves after!
In Sanctuary States, these people do not need jobs, they can have a US Citizen child and live on welfare. I would love for Federal mandated E-verify, but we cannot pretend that would solve every problem here. There would still be a need for targeted enforcement.
Should we discuss Signalgate? No, not the time Republican leaders embarrassed themselves by inviting a journalist into their private top secret (almost-literally) group chat. The new and improved Signalgate in Minnesota.
Many people have noted the coordinated nature of the "I'm-not-touching-you" mostly-non-violent stalking and harassing of ICE in Minnesota. I have also noted that included in their list of targets were just random people in the wrong kind of car.
Some conservative journalists and activists have been able gain access and insight to the method of coordination - a massive Signal chat where people divide into different roles and then join training sessions, read a manual, and then go off into the streets to take part in a coordinated effort to prevent ICE from arresting people and with the long term goal of ICE no longer enforcing bipartisan and popular federal law in the city of Minneapolis.
The roles are as follows:
- Patrol of various kinds - foot, car, stationary (not sure what a stationary patrol is.) They look out for suspicious people, activity, or vehicles and then notify dispatch. Also join in mobbing once a federal official has been located.
- Dispatch - people who assess the information coming from patrols and decide to send people out to harass what they presume are federal agents enforcing federal law.
- License plate checker - here is where it gets interesting to me. They have people who are able to check license plates to identify the driver. In the case of a rental car, they are able to identify who rented it. This indicates someone is misusing their access to government databases.
- Commuters - Their word for people who stalk what they presume are federal officials or hostile journalists with their cars.
- Medics/aftercare - people who help those who have been injured or pepper sprayed for breaching the peace and trying to impede federal officers from enforcing the law.
- Donors and others providing material support towards the cause, including providing housing assistance.
Here's where it gets speculative: one of the admins on the group has the Username "Flan Southside" which many suspect is Minnesota Lt. Governor Peggy Flannigan. I'm not sure if there is evidence beyond just the name similarity, but one member of the Signal chat seemed to think (after these rumors became wide spread) that "Flan has been exposed." and the Signal member was going to go to Cuba where they had friends. Of course, by this point, the entire chat could be filled with Right Wingers trolling.
Also, it seems like Good and Pretti (seriously, good and pretty? How does this happen?) were members of the Signal chat and were being coordinated by the Signal Dispatch during their fatal encounters with Homeland Security.
At what point is this no longer just people exercising their first amendment rights? At what point is this a conspiracy to undermine the laws of this country resulting in the deaths of two people ?
2016 was the happiest year of my life. I'm really glad I didn't know all this was coming.
Your comment at a glance reads like the temperature is causing you to doubt the story (because the temperature is unlikely?). Instead, it seems like you meant the two sentences in your comment to be disconnected from each other.
According to my weather app, the current "feels like" temperature (in the afternoon in the Midwest US) is -20 degrees Celsius. And it's not going to get much warmer for at least a week and a half.
I read that as, after the shooting, 200 rioters appeared within a few minutes. Basically news got out before the scene could be secured and they had to retreat due to it.
If you do not have a US birth certificate for your adopted child, you will need to make sure they get citizenship before their 18th birthday. It's relatively easy to do before the 18th birthday, harder after. It's something many adoption agencies forget to help with for some reason.
Good luck and congratulations! I had my second under similar conditions and in hindsight makes for fun stories.
Yes, Antifa killed right wingers for being right wing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killings_of_Aaron_Danielson_and_Michael_Reinoehl
Many people died in the riots of 2020. Wikipedia shows 19 deaths confirmed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests
There are no infinite amount of federal agents, but it is possible that surging to one city for a few months, then another city, and so on might be the best strategy. Or by refusing to back down in Minnesota, the feds are showing the other sanctuary cities that resistance is futile. Minneapolis is a good starter city - medium size, possibly fewer organized international gangs, a good place to develop new tactics.
ICE will not continue to shoot a US Citizen every few weeks because either the states will capitulate and the peace will be kept or the states will not capitulate and the Federal government will step in even more until the peace is kept. As far as electoral chances, what is the point of electing more GOP if they don't enforce immigration laws? This is the biggest issue they ran on.
Yes, I could justify an uncapped amount of federal agents to enforce very popular and longstanding bipartisan federal law. The only restraining principle is the expense.
The most reasonable defense is that this is what it takes to capture only a tiny percentage per capita of people who do not have permission to be here compared with cooperative jurisdictions. Just because jurisdictions are non-cooperative does not give them the right to defect from the country's laws.
Edit: And before you come at me saying ICE is suddenly unpopular in polls immediately after the shooting of Good and relentless negative news coverage, a majority of Americans still want more deportations.
This one seems like a bad shoot but I really can't tell anything. I'm not even sure I know who shot first. I see someone draw their gun, but their arm seems weirdly angled for them to be firing in the deceased's direction. When I watched the video from the other angle I thought maybe someone was shooting from within the building behind them.
I'm someone who generally sides with police and thought Babbitt and Good were both good shoots. It's a harder sell when you have several men on top of the deceased. If they saw a gun, the simpler thing would be for one of the men on top of him to restrain his hands or to grab it themselves. Shooting him while there were still people holding onto him is reckless unless there was really imminent danger we don't see on the cameras.
The defense is pretty simple:
- There are still people in Minneapolis who have no right to be roaming the United States.
- INS and now ICE is the duly appointed agency responsible to enforce the immigration laws our Congress has repeatedly passed with large bipartisan support over the last hundred years.
- Minneapolis and Minnesota have refused to cooperate with these federal laws, necessitating a disproportionate number of agents in the area to help do both their job and the job of the police at crowd control and mitigating disturbances of the peace.
Immigration on a massive scale impacts the country as a whole due to many factors, but one of the biggest is how congressional seats are apportioned and how our birthright citizenship works. Minnesota cannot just press the defect button and rake in the political rewards.
Short answer: It avoids activating the Randall Cycle and too many branch chain amino acids do things to you and it's all really weird but it does seem to work for people.
Long answer: https://deniseminger.com/2015/10/06/in-defense-of-low-fat-a-call-for-some-evolution-of-thought-part-1/
What I learned after a month is that it works at losing fat but I can't do a diet like that while feeding the five other members of my family healthy food.
As a side note, I tried the Kempner diet this year and ate some mashed bannanas with rice a few times. It was actually pretty good, kind of like rice pudding. Of course, I was eating it while doing a completely fat-less, salt-less, low protein diet so everything tasted good after a while.
I prefer wool socks with rubber grips for around the house because household slippers can be hard to clean.
At the same time, we have a draft. It's not foreign to our country to have a concept of, "We will force you, at the penalty of a worse fate, to do something dangerous and heroic for the benefit of society."
On the American side, I just see everyone is dumbfounded. There's plenty of people who are just attacking Trump as being Trump, saying he's going after Greenland to make a name for himself, because Denmark slighted him, idk. The right is mostly in shock, with everyone scrambling to figure out how this makes the least bit of sense. There are plenty of people who trust Trump enough to wait for a higher strategy to emerge. But I've seen plenty on the right just confused, upset, weirded out.
Here's a map: https://catholicvote.org/tracker-church-attacks/
I was listening to a left-wing radio program last night and the host and his guest were in agreement that protestors shouldn't do anything that physically prevents ICE agents from apprehending their targets, so this doesn't seem controversial to me.
But did you get the impression that this meant they should stay away from protestors who do use more physical means of resistance?
My understanding of the fact pattern, from watching various videos of these people, the videos they share amongst themselves and the videos of outsiders recording them, is this:
A bunch of concerned citizens join a Signal Chat together. Some are actual committed anarchists dedicated to (mostly, but there's a literal holocaust going on so it's only a matter of time!) non-violent physical resistance against ICE. Others, hopefully the majority, join to be loud and obnoxious when ICE is nearby to help non-citizens escape lawful arrest. This second group serves to create confusion and doubt about the nature of the first group, though they may not see it as their role. The first group encourages the second group because they hope to create headlines like, "Completely innocent Kindergarten teacher exercising 1st Amendment Rights pepper sprayed by ICE" when they inevitably incite ICE to take their disorderly conduct seriously.
Because the devoted anarchists do not always get in trouble, the Kindergarten teacher group sometimes forgets the line themselves. If you see behavior repeatedly go unpunished, it starts to seem unpunishable. That's how you get the "I'm just a mom" woman who ran red lights trying to box in ICE with her car.
And the Mainstream Media writes articles as if everyone is in the second group, and any evidence of the anarchist group is just someone in the second group getting pushed over the edge by vicious ICE agents.
But it's not quite clear to me that the second group is entirely innocent here. Once they realize they are among people trying to physically interpose their persons and vehicles between ICE and the people they have a lawful duty to arrest, they share some blame if the tactics work.
He was with the group before they went to the church and then when he went into the church he was weirdly aggressivly interviewing the pastor. "Don't you think Jesus would be understanding and love these folks [interrupting your church service and trying to chase your congregation home]?" He seemed to be involved with the planning. If it becomes a journalistic activity just because he has a camera when he's trying to force the pastor to give into the roudy mobs demands then whatever. A lot of people think he should have tipped off the police at least since he knew ahead of time this flagrant violation of the FACE act was going to take place.
Above all else, I just want to be a good Catholic. And America is one of the best places in the world to be a Catholic, while China is one of the worst. If you have other priorities and China comes out on top, you can try immigrating.
none of which the protestors are known to engage in.
Are you sure of this? I feel like you and I are talking past each other. I see protestors do things like trying to box in ICE vehicles with their cars, get up in officer's faces while blowing whistles in their ears, use their bodies to try to block ICE vehicles, chase ICE agents around, put their bodies between ICE agents and where they want to go. They often stop short of throwing the first punch but not always. Is this all covered under the first amendment?
What about the gang lookout example? Is the kid texting to warn his fellow ganstas when he sees a police officer walk on their turf committing any crimes? If he knows that a crime is likely being committed, but might not know the specifics of who and what because that's not his job?
Also, thank you for responding, I do appreciate that you are taking a different side of things.
But where is the line here? A lookout for a bank robbery is presumably an accessory to the crime, even though his only role is to use his constitutionally protected speech to alert the other robbers to the police.
A lookout for a gang is presumably an accessory to a crime if they whistle out as soon as a police officer comes onto gang territory, even if they don't know which specific crime the police officer is investigating. Or is that protected speech but the lookout for bank robbery isn't? What is the deciding factor?
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Obama did more than that - he deported four US Citizens.
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